Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar
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Jon if it’s any consolation, I get what u r saying.
Not that I’m taking sides....lol
But I do get it.
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U can take me out of New York, but u can’t take my democratic NY Jewish liberalism out of me.
In medicine it’s called an inborn error of metabolism
Blame my genes
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I think everybody gets what he's saying. It's just that some of us reject the notion that Trump and his supporters bear an important part of the responsibility for the rioting. Millions accept that, of course. I mean it is not new that a hated politician can be easily blamed for bad stuff, by those who hate them.
I don't anticipate TDS sufferers ever coming to terms with their own personal failures and culpability for the cultural conflagration they have helped to create. This is a consequence of their attitude that no outcome is worse than Trump being president, full stop. Of course they paint themselves into a corner when they so proudly claim that. And of course they'll never admit that yes, some things could be worse. The only thing they can do when they see those worse things, is to blame Trump.
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That’s quite disingenuous as you know full well I blame the far left constantly for the action and the moderate left for the enabling. You participate in threads where I do that all the time.
Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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Yes i understand that you think complaining about both sides is a get out of personal responsibility free card. But actually it's not, and as you've blamed Trump and his supporters for their culpability for the riots, I blame you for your part in the righteous outrage that TDS sufferers have very intentionally fomented everywhere.
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You two should get a
roomseparate sub-forum.@Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
You two should get a
roomseparate sub-forum.Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
You two should get a
roomseparate sub-forum.Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...
@George-K said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
You two should get a
roomseparate sub-forum.Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...
He could, and then not allow Horace posting privileges.
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That’s quite disingenuous as you know full well I blame the far left constantly for the action and the moderate left for the enabling. You participate in threads where I do that all the time.
Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.
@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.
I have to admit this is kind of funny. President Trump shows videos and talks about what is happening as what would happen under President Biden.
Wait a second????!!! Who is the president right now? LOL
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It makes perfect sense for Trump to point to the riots and run against them. The only people guffawing are the people who don't like him anyway and are only too happy to blame bad stuff on him, no matter how flimsy the connection.
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It makes perfect sense for Trump to point to the riots and run against them. The only people guffawing are the people who don't like him anyway and are only too happy to blame bad stuff on him, no matter how flimsy the connection.
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Jon said somewhere above:
What I am doing is saying that
(1) his general divisiveness feeds this
(2) his words and deeds have served to fan the flames
(3). Different words and deeds could have cooled the flames or at least fanned them lessFunny, that's EXACTLY what I thought about Obama. I remember times (e.g., black college prof breaking into his own house, police showed up) as well as other times when Obama actually invited the issue (person) to the White House.
And, I remember thinking how he smiles and acts all superior-like with his lofty intellectualism, where it was obvious what he was doing was fanning the flames to deteriorate race relations. I still think Obama does the same thing: pretend to unite while actually working to divide, the guy in general doesn't like white people.So we're back to Sweep Under Your Own Porch land.
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
point to the riots and say "this is Trump's America". Even jon buys into that tribal mantra. As ideas go, it is not a rational one.
Well, to be fair I use that phrase to point out the absurdity of Trump calling it ‘Biden’s America’.
Having said that, surely presidents will differ in where they fall on the (as W might put it) “uniter vs divider’ scale. Surely presidents differ in how they respond to widespread protests, from taking steps to lower the pressure on one hand to publicly antagonizing and threatening on the other.
Honestly I think people here say to themselves “but these rioters aren’t by and large Trump supporters” and from that facile comment completely absolve him from any causal role.
OK, I'll go there with you. Show me how Trump has a causal role in the current situation. What has he done to cause or increase police brutality toward blacks? To diminish civil rights? To my eyes these riots and protests started before he even took office. If you want to say that it is because some people do not like Trump and don't want him to be president, fine. But it's not as far as I can see attributable to anything he has actually done.
@Mik said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
point to the riots and say "this is Trump's America". Even jon buys into that tribal mantra. As ideas go, it is not a rational one.
Well, to be fair I use that phrase to point out the absurdity of Trump calling it ‘Biden’s America’.
Having said that, surely presidents will differ in where they fall on the (as W might put it) “uniter vs divider’ scale. Surely presidents differ in how they respond to widespread protests, from taking steps to lower the pressure on one hand to publicly antagonizing and threatening on the other.
Honestly I think people here say to themselves “but these rioters aren’t by and large Trump supporters” and from that facile comment completely absolve him from any causal role.
OK, I'll go there with you. Show me how Trump has a causal role in the current situation. What has he done to cause or increase police brutality toward blacks? To diminish civil rights? To my eyes these riots and protests started before he even took office. If you want to say that it is because some people do not like Trump and don't want him to be president, fine. But it's not as far as I can see attributable to anything he has actually done.
Nah, Ferguson didn't happen. Nor did either of the Los Angeles riots. Or the absolute clusterfuck that happened in Detroit. Or the murder rate in certain sections of Chicago. Or the challenge that I double-dog dare John to stroll down MLK Boulevard in New Orleans at 3 AM.
Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?
The fact is that a large percentage of the black community are nothing but a pile of do-nothing, go nowhere, drug-dealing, violent, low-life muthafuckers. And we ought to be proud, because we helped make them that way. Take away a man's dignity and you have less of a man. Take away his responsibilities and you have less of a man. Take away his pride and you have less of a man. Reinforce his expectations of inadequacy and feed him a steady stream from the government teat and marvel in what the Do-gooders have created...A permanent class of gibmedats.The
God save us from the Do-gooders.
Give the black man a shot at a good education or training. Give him access to business planning and teach him how to use a receptive banking system to grow his business. And his dreams. Then, if he fails, he fails. There is no one to feel pity for and no one to blame.
