Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar

[jon-nyc]

sigh

[Mik]

Look, Jon, it's very simple. You made an assertion you cannot support other than with your own biases. The truth is the protestors are much more akin to the brownshirts than anything on the right.

[jon-nyc]

No you misunderstood the assertion.

[Mik]

Yeah, that must be it. I misunderstood

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

I agree it’s vacuous. Stop saying that.

Maybe phrase it as ‘Trump fanned the flames in word and deed because he’s not up to the job of being presidential. He’s just the leader of a tribe’.

And then maybe take some responsibility for why you guys elected someone like that.

Yes please let me join in on the flurry of good willed responsibility taking as proposed by responsibility taker in chief jon-nyc. It's not his fault that he's never done or thought anything wrong, it's just how perfect people are. Why can't TNCR and WTF understand that?

[jon-nyc]

Your frequent resort to the ad hominem is not a sign of strength or cleverness.

[Horace]

And your frequent attacks then retreats into princess jon mode is fucking small and pathetic, salesman.

[jon-nyc]

You seriously need to work on that resentment Horace. It’s unhealthy.

[Horace]

By all means feel free to attempt to stand on the strength of your ideas, jon. That's why we're here.

[jon-nyc]

TNCR: Come for the ideas, stay for the ad hominems.

[Horace]

Are ad hominems another thing you take no responsibility for jon? I mean your lack of integrity for being a guy who is more than willing to get down and dirty may be such that you're unwilling to even admit that you throw stones yourself. So I'm curious if you're capable of admitting that. The innocent princess act might be bought by a couple people here but the number is diminishing.

[bachophile]

Jon if it’s any consolation, I get what u r saying.

Not that I’m taking sides....lol

But I do get it.

[bachophile]

U can take me out of New York, but u can’t take my democratic NY Jewish liberalism out of me.

In medicine it’s called an inborn error of metabolism

Blame my genes

[Horace]

I think everybody gets what he's saying. It's just that some of us reject the notion that Trump and his supporters bear an important part of the responsibility for the rioting. Millions accept that, of course. I mean it is not new that a hated politician can be easily blamed for bad stuff, by those who hate them.

I don't anticipate TDS sufferers ever coming to terms with their own personal failures and culpability for the cultural conflagration they have helped to create. This is a consequence of their attitude that no outcome is worse than Trump being president, full stop. Of course they paint themselves into a corner when they so proudly claim that. And of course they'll never admit that yes, some things could be worse. The only thing they can do when they see those worse things, is to blame Trump.

[jon-nyc]

That’s quite disingenuous as you know full well I blame the far left constantly for the action and the moderate left for the enabling. You participate in threads where I do that all the time.

Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.

[Horace]

Yes i understand that you think complaining about both sides is a get out of personal responsibility free card. But actually it's not, and as you've blamed Trump and his supporters for their culpability for the riots, I blame you for your part in the righteous outrage that TDS sufferers have very intentionally fomented everywhere.

[jon-nyc]

A burden I guess I’ll have to just bear.

[Horace]

Please bear it like a princess bears a tiara, till you lose patience and let the inner 16 year old boy out with his insults. That's the most fun cycle to watch.

[jon-nyc]

You can’t get through three posts without an insult and I’m the sixteen year old?

[Doctor Phibes]

You two should get a room separate sub-forum.