Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
His divisiveness obviously played a role in the political tensions leading up to it (Horace agrees here with the causal chain, but assigns moral responsibility for his divisiveness to the outgroup).
And you simultaneously revel in the TDS orgy while taking no moral responsibility for it, because well of course good people hate Trump, I mean duh, it shouldn't need justification.
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Here’s what I’m not doing, largely because it’s impossible:
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laying out a specific causal chain from Trumps actions to the behavior of several million protesters and a few thousand rioters.
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claiming that I know what the mitigation effects would be for particular actions that trump could have taken
What I am doing is saying that
(1) his general divisiveness feeds this
(2) his words and deeds have served to fan the flames
(3). Different words and deeds could have cooled the flames or at least fanned them less
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jon, it's ok and par for the course that you actually have no interesting points to make here, and are really only attempting to establish the phenotype of a clear headed calm appraiser of the situation. We are all as impressed with it as you are. Now please feel free to go eat lunch.
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I agree it’s vacuous. Stop saying that.
Maybe phrase it as ‘Trump fanned the flames in word and deed because he’s not up to the job of being presidential. He’s just the leader of a tribe’.
And then maybe take some responsibility for why you guys elected someone like that.
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:
I agree it’s vacuous. Stop saying that.
Maybe phrase it as ‘Trump fanned the flames in word and deed because he’s not up to the job of being presidential. He’s just the leader of a tribe’.
And then maybe take some responsibility for why you guys elected someone like that.
Yes please let me join in on the flurry of good willed responsibility taking as proposed by responsibility taker in chief jon-nyc. It's not his fault that he's never done or thought anything wrong, it's just how perfect people are. Why can't TNCR and WTF understand that?
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Are ad hominems another thing you take no responsibility for jon? I mean your lack of integrity for being a guy who is more than willing to get down and dirty may be such that you're unwilling to even admit that you throw stones yourself. So I'm curious if you're capable of admitting that. The innocent princess act might be bought by a couple people here but the number is diminishing.
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Jon if it’s any consolation, I get what u r saying.
Not that I’m taking sides....lol
But I do get it.
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U can take me out of New York, but u can’t take my democratic NY Jewish liberalism out of me.
In medicine it’s called an inborn error of metabolism
Blame my genes
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I think everybody gets what he's saying. It's just that some of us reject the notion that Trump and his supporters bear an important part of the responsibility for the rioting. Millions accept that, of course. I mean it is not new that a hated politician can be easily blamed for bad stuff, by those who hate them.
I don't anticipate TDS sufferers ever coming to terms with their own personal failures and culpability for the cultural conflagration they have helped to create. This is a consequence of their attitude that no outcome is worse than Trump being president, full stop. Of course they paint themselves into a corner when they so proudly claim that. And of course they'll never admit that yes, some things could be worse. The only thing they can do when they see those worse things, is to blame Trump.
