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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    If DeSantis had been nominated, would the race be this close?

    What do you think? For the thought experiment assume he had Trumps support.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      #2

      The whole problem was that his campaign was that he was a President Trump clone, which doomed when the original was still running.

      For him to be nominated, he would have had to run a whole different campaign.

      So, I dont know the answer to your question. LOL

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      • CopperC Offline
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        DeSantis has had years of bashing from an unfriendly press. That has probably created a nationwide never-DeSantis group. He wouldn't help.

        He might strengthen Trump's base, but that is already strong.

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        • RichR Offline
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          My guess is Kamala would be ahead of Desantis. I’m more or less with Ron policy wise, but man, he has all the charisma of a wet fart.

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            #5

            Oh, you meant DeSantis nominated for president, I was thinking VP.

            Same answer, I guess.

            DeSantis is more of a career politician than Trump, a big part of Trump's initial success.

            Trump's base would certainly support DeSantis.

            I think there is less hate for DeSantis than for Trump, that would help.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #6

              DeSantis is a good governor, but he's lacking charisma. At least when you compare him to Trump.

              Policy-wise, he's pretty close to Trump. I could certainly vote for him.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                #7

                Policy wise, DeSantis is much more conservative than Trump. Plus, he has an excellent policy position of not committing the single largest human rights and civil liberties violations in the history of our nation. So that’s a positive. But if he wasn’t willing to go to the mat against Trump, then he wouldn’t be able to go to the mat now.

                The Brad

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  If DeSantis had been nominated, would the race be this close?

                  What do you think? For the thought experiment assume he had Trumps support.

                  89th8 Offline
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                  @jon-nyc said in Thoughts????:

                  If DeSantis had been nominated, would the race be this close?

                  What do you think? For the thought experiment assume he had Trumps support.

                  I think mathematically it's simple. He'd have Trump's current numbers, plus conservative never-Trumpers, like me.

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                    #9

                    I think on the other side there are some low propensity voters that love Trump, probably would prefer DeSantis win, but couldn’t be bothered to get out, no?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      I think there are some only Trumpers that would not have participated title even would have worked against DeSantis because they would be pissed at him for beating Trump.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #11

                        DeSantis didn’t need to be charismatic, he just needed to not be a pussy. Now the Haitians are going to eat him.

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            DeSantis didn’t need to be charismatic, he just needed to not be a pussy. Now the Haitians are going to eat him.

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Thoughts????:

                            DeSantis didn’t need to be charismatic, he just needed to not be a pussy. Now the Haitians are going to eat him.

                            POTD

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Thoughts????:

                              As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

                              Not many Kamala supporters here, but it was pretty clearly not a fairly moderated debate. At the minimum they should've called out Kamala's BS about Trump and Project 2025 which is one of the easier lies to correct in real time.

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Thoughts????:

                                As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

                                I didn't even watch the debate and I don't think it was fairly moderated. This is US national television after all. You chaps all wanted the Wild West, and now you've got it, except with suits and gelled hair.

                                I was only joking

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Thoughts????:

                                  As long as we’re asking for honest thoughts, do any Kamala supporters want to address whether the debate was moderated in a fair and impartial manner?

                                  Seems not. They fact checked Trump several times compared to zero for Harris. And they gave Trump quite a bit more time, though he used it to tank himself.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    #17

                                    The funny thing is they don’t need to be biased to make him look like an imbecile, but they don’t seem to get that.

                                    The whole thing resembles a couple of one legged men in an ass kicking contest.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      kluurs
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                                      #18

                                      it isn't possible to do fact checking on the fly - and keep a debate moving. Further, even if one candidate lied every time they spoke, it would be unfair to call them out in a debate. If this was a one-on-one interview, it could be appropriate to call them out. It was clear that the moderators were prepared to intervene. It was something that had to have been discussed at the highest levels at ABC. I suspect some of this goes back to the soul searching that was done back in 2016 when the media was criticized for giving Trump tons of free time for all the colorful, if sometimes off-beat, things he said. Still, no place for moderators to challenge. It is fair to bring candidates back to the question that was asked. Candidates want to answer with a prepared script - and sometimes the prepared lines don't fit the question. That may be appropriate though again it requires a moderator trying to be somewhat objective.

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                                        Investigate ABC.

                                        Would love to know if Kamala had sample questions ahead of time.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Investigate ABC.

                                          Would love to know if Kamala had sample questions ahead of time.

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                                          @Jolly said in Thoughts????:

                                          if Kamala had sample questions ahead of time

                                          Of course she did.

                                          I wonder if she knew she had them ahead of time.

                                          Or did her friends just prep her.

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