Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT

[LuFins Dad]

So what I learned tonight - Kamala is a gun owning proponent of fracking that loves George Bush and is super proud to be endorsed by Dick Cheney. Did I get that right?

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

So what I learned tonight - Kamala is a gun owning proponent of fracking that loves George Bush and is super proud to be endorsed by Dick Cheney. Did I get that right?

Pretty close.

And ABC never called her on it.

Rumor is, WaPo is saying Harris wants another debate. That means her camp doesn't think she did well enough tonight.

[Mik]

@Copper said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

cnn commentators love Harris, she can do no wrong, she is superwoman

We listened to the last half hour on NPR driving home. Unbelievable bias.

[Mik]

@89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

Trump kept retreating to the illegal immigration point over and over and over, regardless of topic. It got old, quick. I think Harris remained silent as Trump echoed the same points and I bet voters are tired of that old script.

I am.

[xenon]

@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

But Jesus, that whiny, nasal voice.

My wife is not politically engaged. I had the debate on and she would glance here and there.

This is the only comment she made - something about Kamala was off-putting.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

Some thoughts...

Harris was very prepared. But Jesus, that whiny, nasal voice.

Trump did not have his best night.

I watched maybe 10 early minutes. Honestly my first thought about him was he looked better than normal. I think the shock of hair he keeps across the top front was reduced in size and to good effect. My first thought about her was, like you, the voice being irksome. In the few minutes of discussion I saw, both showed they were well practiced in ignoring the specifics of a question and getting their talking points in.

I decided I could take it no longer and switched to Andrew Sullivan’s latest podcast for the rest of my ride home, figuring any good/bad moments I could hear about tomorrow.

[Horace]

I thought it was interesting that Kamala is the worst vice president in the history of the country. I’ve never seen any reporting on that in the MSM.

[jon-nyc]

We had a sitting vice president that murdered Alexander Hamilton. Maybe that was even worse the what Kamala did.

You know, just asking questions.

[Axtremus]

Only watched small parts of the debate.

Trump ignored facts and logic and just made shit up, but his sentences were easy to parse and evoke emotions.

Harris was grounded in facts and logic, but her sentences were long and required more thinking to parse -- more Lincoln-Douglasesque but alas, this is the era of sound bites.

[89th]

[Axtremus]

As for Harris' facial expressions, I normally expect a trained lawyer to be more disciplined at maintaining a poker face.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

And ABC never called her on it.

Or on these comments:

• Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
• Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
• Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
• Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
• Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
• Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
• Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
• Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
• Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

her sentences were long and required more thinking to parse

[George K]

Fapperiffic!

[jon-nyc]

Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.

Yup. The RWEC is saying she "came prepared," "exceeded expectations."

Rumor is she wants another.

Let's do it on Fox News this time, LOL.

[Mik]

Some observations from Fox.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-the-trump-harris-face-off-there-was-a-clear-winner-but-don-t-believe-this-election-is-over/ar-AA1qmxSk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=7da04742af3a414287429e39fe494882&ei=12

[LuFins Dad]

Reuters Reporter sat with 10 undecideds, all pretty much agreed Kamala won, but 6 of the 10 left leaning more towards Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump/ar-AA1qmVYz

The thing is he has less to lose in these debates. Everybody pretty much knows he’s a sleazy asshole. Kamala pretty much just attacked him while providing little or no policy substance beyond her child tax credit and vagaries about building more homes…

[Mik]

[89th]

@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.

From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).

I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"