Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism
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wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:10 last edited by jon-nyc 9 Dec 2024, 15:11
You think Bari Weis would have made that up or copied it from a twitter rando?
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Piers Morgan interviews Roberts and Seth Dillon (Babylon Bee):
Link to video00:00 - Teaser
01:02 - Piers' monologue on Winston Churchill
02:20 - Historian Andrew Roberts reacts to Tucker Carlson interview with Darryl Cooper
07:00 - Cooper accuses Churchill of ‘rank terrorism’
10:20 - Did Churchill ‘drag’ the US into World War II?
11:50 - Cooper slams Churchill as a ‘psychopath’ and ‘drunk’
16:00 - Dave Smith labels Cooper a ‘national treasure’
22:45 - Piers slams Dave for comparing the Iraq War and World War II
24:08 - Seth Dillon: Cooper is a Hitler apologist
26:50 - Piers: How would you have tackled Hitler and the Nazis, Dave?
29:57 - Should Tucker have asked about the Holocaust?
32:00 - Seth slams Tucker Carlson
33:50 - Is there enough free speech amongst historians?
41:30 - Increased criticism of Churchill over the last few yearswrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:17 last edited by@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Piers Morgan interviews Roberts and Seth Dillon (Babylon Bee):
Link to video00:00 - Teaser
01:02 - Piers' monologue on Winston Churchill
02:20 - Historian Andrew Roberts reacts to Tucker Carlson interview with Darryl Cooper
07:00 - Cooper accuses Churchill of ‘rank terrorism’
10:20 - Did Churchill ‘drag’ the US into World War II?
11:50 - Cooper slams Churchill as a ‘psychopath’ and ‘drunk’
16:00 - Dave Smith labels Cooper a ‘national treasure’
22:45 - Piers slams Dave for comparing the Iraq War and World War II
24:08 - Seth Dillon: Cooper is a Hitler apologist
26:50 - Piers: How would you have tackled Hitler and the Nazis, Dave?
29:57 - Should Tucker have asked about the Holocaust?
32:00 - Seth slams Tucker Carlson
33:50 - Is there enough free speech amongst historians?
41:30 - Increased criticism of Churchill over the last few yearsEven the white house released a statement about Tucker's interview. Lots of political hay to be made painting "the right" as neo nazis. The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged. And of course, accurate characterizations of the interview itself are very rare. "Cooper is wrong about this and this and this fact in the interview, and therefore he's a Hitler apologist". Those sorts of conclusions are generally non-sequiturs.
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wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:24 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
You think Bari Weis would have made that up or copied it from a twitter rando?
I doubt a great deal of care was applied in verifying the quote or its context. I also tend to give some grace to people that they may say things in certain contexts that they wouldn't categorically avow in an adversarial dunking contest. You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
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@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Piers Morgan interviews Roberts and Seth Dillon (Babylon Bee):
Link to video00:00 - Teaser
01:02 - Piers' monologue on Winston Churchill
02:20 - Historian Andrew Roberts reacts to Tucker Carlson interview with Darryl Cooper
07:00 - Cooper accuses Churchill of ‘rank terrorism’
10:20 - Did Churchill ‘drag’ the US into World War II?
11:50 - Cooper slams Churchill as a ‘psychopath’ and ‘drunk’
16:00 - Dave Smith labels Cooper a ‘national treasure’
22:45 - Piers slams Dave for comparing the Iraq War and World War II
24:08 - Seth Dillon: Cooper is a Hitler apologist
26:50 - Piers: How would you have tackled Hitler and the Nazis, Dave?
29:57 - Should Tucker have asked about the Holocaust?
32:00 - Seth slams Tucker Carlson
33:50 - Is there enough free speech amongst historians?
41:30 - Increased criticism of Churchill over the last few yearsEven the white house released a statement about Tucker's interview. Lots of political hay to be made painting "the right" as neo nazis. The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged. And of course, accurate characterizations of the interview itself are very rare. "Cooper is wrong about this and this and this fact in the interview, and therefore he's a Hitler apologist". Those sorts of conclusions are generally non-sequiturs.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:24 last edited by@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged.
I thought he was like massively popular among American conservatives. I read it right here.
It might be a divorce, but it was pretty amicable.
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged.
I thought he was like massively popular among American conservatives. I read it right here.
It might be a divorce, but it was pretty amicable.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:25 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged.
I thought he was like massively popular among American conservatives. I read it right here.
It might be a divorce, but it was pretty amicable.
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
The fact that Carlson has long been divorced from any mainstream right, goes conveniently unacknowledged.
I thought he was like massively popular among American conservatives. I read it right here.
It might be a divorce, but it was pretty amicable.
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 16:44 last edited by@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
Presumably, not watching either of them would be considered un-American.
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
Presumably, not watching either of them would be considered un-American.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:21 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
Presumably, not watching either of them would be considered un-American.
Watching does not imply slavishly trusting.
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
You think Bari Weis would have made that up or copied it from a twitter rando?
I doubt a great deal of care was applied in verifying the quote or its context. I also tend to give some grace to people that they may say things in certain contexts that they wouldn't categorically avow in an adversarial dunking contest. You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:24 last edited by Renauda 9 Dec 2024, 18:25You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
As already stated above, I listened to the WWII portion of the FuCa interview. I was not left with impression that Cooper was a Fascist nor did I think that he was much of an apologist for Hitler. I did however leave with the impression he could not be described as an historian. At best, I would regard him as a reader of history whose understanding of his subject is stunted for undisclosed reasons. In short, an example of intellectual immaturity masquerading as enlightenment.
Not sure if he has any sort of world view or ideological outlook other than what he thinks might be a part time libertarian of convenience or ersatz Objectivist because he read excerpts or an abridgement of Atlas Shrugged for Dummies.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
Presumably, not watching either of them would be considered un-American.
Watching does not imply slavishly trusting.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:28 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Dec 2024, 18:29@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Conservatives still like him more than they like Maddow, that won't be changing any time soon. One plays the media hand one is dealt.
Presumably, not watching either of them would be considered un-American.
Watching does not imply slavishly trusting.
Isn't that what drama shows are for?
I mean, far be it from to suggest that people are wasting their lives watching Tucker Carlson when they could be watching actual cartoons or something.
Maybe I'm weird, but I don't see the appeal of watching these talking heads spouting utter shite. There's so much that's genuinely worth listening to.
If you want to learn about history, and you honestly think a good place to start is Tucker Carlson, then it might be worth re-evaluating your life-choices.
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You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
As already stated above, I listened to the WWII portion of the FuCa interview. I was not left with impression that Cooper was a Fascist nor did I think that he was much of an apologist for Hitler. I did however leave with the impression he could not be described as an historian. At best, I would regard him as a reader of history whose understanding of his subject is stunted for undisclosed reasons. In short, an example of intellectual immaturity masquerading as enlightenment.
Not sure if he has any sort of world view or ideological outlook other than what he thinks might be a part time libertarian of convenience or ersatz Objectivist because he read excerpts or an abridgement of Atlas Shrugged for Dummies.
wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:39 last edited by@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
As already stated above, I listened to the WWII portion of the FuCa interview. I was not left with impression that Cooper was a Fascist nor did I think that he was much of an apologist for Hitler. I did however leave with the impression he could not be described as an historian. At best, I would regard him as a reader of history whose understanding of his subject is stunted for undisclosed reasons. In short, an example of intellectual immaturity masquerading as enlightenment.
Not sure if he has any sort of world view or ideological outlook other than what he thinks might be a part time libertarian of convenience or ersatz Objectivist because he read excerpts or an abridgement of Atlas Shrugged for Dummies.
Certainly that is all fair enough. I appreciate opinions that aren't simple recitations of dunks from Twitter.
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@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
You'll never listen to or read anything from Cooper, but if you did, I doubt you'd come away with the impression that he's a fascist.
As already stated above, I listened to the WWII portion of the FuCa interview. I was not left with impression that Cooper was a Fascist nor did I think that he was much of an apologist for Hitler. I did however leave with the impression he could not be described as an historian. At best, I would regard him as a reader of history whose understanding of his subject is stunted for undisclosed reasons. In short, an example of intellectual immaturity masquerading as enlightenment.
Not sure if he has any sort of world view or ideological outlook other than what he thinks might be a part time libertarian of convenience or ersatz Objectivist because he read excerpts or an abridgement of Atlas Shrugged for Dummies.
Certainly that is all fair enough. I appreciate opinions that aren't simple recitations of dunks from Twitter.
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6 months later
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 16:33 last edited by
Thread necromancy has limited appeal. It's like trying to pick up a conversation from years ago.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 16:40 last edited by
Not in this case. It’s a new conversation. But it’s the same nut case expounding bs so it seemed appropriate.
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Thread necromancy has limited appeal. It's like trying to pick up a conversation from years ago.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 16:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Thread necromancy has limited appeal. It's like trying to pick up a conversation from years ago.
Especially when it exposes an inconvenient truth about one’s tribal affiliations. Right?