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    Jolly
    wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 17:11 last edited by
    #18

    That surprises me.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      bachophile
      wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 17:26 last edited by
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      Another silver polll, just sayin….

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        4 Sept 2024, 17:26

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        Another silver polll, just sayin….

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 18:00 last edited by
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        @bachophile said in It’s starting:

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        Another silver polll, just sayin….

        Not a poll, a model based on all the polls and statistical data. And that model and statistician was the only one that gave Trump anything over 5%, Silver was the lone voice that started going on TV and warning that the pundits were wrong, and that Trump was starting to gain momentum and posed a significant chance of winning. He got laughed at and insulted by The NY Times and WaPo.

        That model you point to doesn’t diminish my point or confidence, but actually reinforces it.

        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/nate-silver-says-conventional-wisdom-not-data-killed-2016-election-forecasts/

        The Brad

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 18:02 last edited by
          #21

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/27/your-critique-that-fivethirtyeight-misfired-on-the-2016-race-is-wrong/

          The Brad

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 19:26 last edited by
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            I think the heavy interest with opinion polls is quite interesting psychologically. What does it matter who is "winning" in a two-party system where there is no real justification for tactical voting? Do people really change their preferred candidate based on the fact that they don't want to be on the losing team?

            I was only joking

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            • D Doctor Phibes
              4 Sept 2024, 19:26

              I think the heavy interest with opinion polls is quite interesting psychologically. What does it matter who is "winning" in a two-party system where there is no real justification for tactical voting? Do people really change their preferred candidate based on the fact that they don't want to be on the losing team?

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 19:38 last edited by
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              @Doctor-Phibes said in It’s starting:

              I think the heavy interest with opinion polls is quite interesting psychologically. What does it matter who is "winning" in a two-party system where there is no real justification for tactical voting? Do people really change their preferred candidate based on the fact that they don't want to be on the losing team?

              No, but they change their donation intentions… If it’s a close race, donors might go a little higher. If it’s trending downwards, they might either substantially increase or substantially decrease their donations.

              The Brad

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 19:40 last edited by
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                Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

                The Brad

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  4 Sept 2024, 19:40

                  Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 19:52 last edited by
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in It’s starting:

                  Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

                  That would certainly explain the quality of the two candidates.

                  I was only joking

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    4 Sept 2024, 19:52

                    @LuFins-Dad said in It’s starting:

                    Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

                    That would certainly explain the quality of the two candidates.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 20:02 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in It’s starting:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in It’s starting:

                    Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

                    That would certainly explain the quality of the two candidates.

                    For many, many elections….

                    I’m probably a believer in anti-democracy. The more people support a policy, the worse it probably is…

                    The Brad

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                      4 Sept 2024, 19:40

                      Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 20:36 last edited by
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                      @LuFins-Dad said in It’s starting:

                      Plus, I live with the belief that people are idiots. Individuals can be quite intelligent, but put them in groups and they immediately become less intelligent. The bigger the group, the dumber they get.

                      That's because fitting in socially is an existential priority for humans. And we're not wired to be aware of that motivation to our beliefs.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 16:26 last edited by
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                        The Brad

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                          George K
                          wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 16:29 last edited by
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                          "voters are unsure they know enough about where Kamala Harris stands"

                          Yeah, how about that.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 18:28 last edited by
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                            Has cnn published the debate highlights or will they wait until after the debate?

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 18:40 last edited by
                              #31

                              Trump needs to stick to the issues and make his case on the border, energy and the economy. Let her talk. In fact, encourage her to talk and explain what her policies are.

                              The only problem it's going to be three against one during the debate.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • G George K
                                8 Sept 2024, 16:29

                                "voters are unsure they know enough about where Kamala Harris stands"

                                Yeah, how about that.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 20:18 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in It’s starting:

                                "voters are unsure they know enough about where Kamala Harris stands"

                                Yeah, how about that.

                                Does it matter where she stands if she is unable to deliver on any of it?

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 20:22 last edited by
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                                  We have had our share of embarrassing presidential behavior over the last 50 years.

                                  But Ms. Harris could take us places we haven't yet imagined.

                                  On the other hand, she could be wonderful. It's hard to say while she is hiding.

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                                  • M Mik
                                    8 Sept 2024, 20:18

                                    @George-K said in It’s starting:

                                    "voters are unsure they know enough about where Kamala Harris stands"

                                    Yeah, how about that.

                                    Does it matter where she stands if she is unable to deliver on any of it?

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 21:40 last edited by
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                                    @Mik said in It’s starting:

                                    Does it matter where she stands if she is unable to deliver on any of it?

                                    Bernie Sanders said the quiet part out loud this AM.

                                    "She's saying doing what she needs to say do to get elected."

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • C Copper
                                      8 Sept 2024, 20:22

                                      We have had our share of embarrassing presidential behavior over the last 50 years.

                                      But Ms. Harris could take us places we haven't yet imagined.

                                      On the other hand, she could be wonderful. It's hard to say while she is hiding.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 21:58 last edited by
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                                      @Copper said in It’s starting:

                                      But Ms. Harris could take us places we haven't yet imagined.

                                      Ask Willie Brown about that one...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • J Jolly
                                        8 Sept 2024, 21:58

                                        @Copper said in It’s starting:

                                        But Ms. Harris could take us places we haven't yet imagined.

                                        Ask Willie Brown about that one...

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 22:09 last edited by
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                                        @Jolly said in It’s starting:

                                        Ask Willie Brown about that one...

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 8 Sept 2024, 22:29 last edited by
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                                          Well, for one thing, Kap was hardly unknown. He was a starting QB in the Super Bowl. For another thing, a Donald Trump supporter should not be casting stones about a candidate’s sexual escapades.

                                          The Brad

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