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  • 89th8 89th

    @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

    Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

    Believe it or not, I don't think Jack Smith's motivation is driven by politics. He doesn't care if this helps or hurts the Trump campaign. He's enforcing the law. And @jon-nyc said, pragmatically, it's not a new indictment, but an updated one based on a court ruling, which makes sense.

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    Jolly
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    #17

    @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

    @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

    Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

    Believe it or not, I don't think Jack Smith's motivation is driven by politics. He doesn't care if this helps or hurts the Trump campaign. He's enforcing the law. And @jon-nyc said, pragmatically, it's not a new indictment, but an updated one based on a court ruling, which makes sense.

    Have you not followed Jack's career?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      89th
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      Believe it or not I haven't. Jack Smith, isn't he a character in James Patterson novels?

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        Jolly
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        #19

        Do some research.

        You often espouse opinions based on no knowledge of motives or backstories.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          89th
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          #20

          I mean, I read the indictment. Do you disagree with the facts?

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            89th
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            #21

            Jack Smith has prosected Kosovo war crimes, criminals who killed NYPD cops, and various democrat and republican politicians. He seems normal to me.

            Wait, he has completed over 100 triathlons and 9 ironmans? Ok, nevermind, he is nuts.

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              Jolly
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              #22

              And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #23

                I am sure Jack Smith is sincere in his belief that his overreach is for the good of America.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

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                  #24

                  @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                  And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

                  Ok great, the check and balance is working.

                  System is working.

                  w00t

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #25

                    It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                    You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                    You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                    Really,?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      taiwan_girl
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                      #26

                      Well, better than this guy.
                      https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/04/us/longest-wrongful-prison-sentence/

                      An innocent man spent 46 years in prison.

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                        Jolly
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                        #27

                        Helluva comparison...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          #28

                          Exactly. Just putting some perspective on what President Trump is (rightly or wrongly) going through.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                            You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                            You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                            Really,?

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                            89th
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                            #29

                            @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                            It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                            You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                            You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                            Really,?

                            What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                              It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                              You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                              You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                              Really,?

                              What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

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                              Jolly
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                              #30

                              @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                              @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                              It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                              You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                              You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                              Really,?

                              What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

                              Guess what? The people engaged in lawfare would like to see him in jail, but that's not why this is happening. This is a coordinated, legal maneuver to bring political hurt.

                              1. It's taking more money than you'll make in a lifetime to mount a defense. Yes, Trump will raise money for his defense and some of that money will come out of his pocket. Money is the mother's milk of a national political campaign, just ask Scranton Joe.

                              2. Time. How much time has Trump spent in a courtroom or meeting lawyers, when he should be campaigning or raising money? Multiple, simultaneous court cases are a huge time sink.

                              3. Why were all these cases filed within a very short span? Why were they filed at the start of the campaign? Why were they filed at all?

                              4. Perception. The Dems desperately wanted a conviction, even if they know it will be overturned. The labels don't have to last forever, just past the second Tuesday in November.

                              If you value freedom from the tyranny of the courts, if you value the American concept of fair play, if you value the ability to have free and fair elections, then why can't you see this for what it is, regardless of your personal feelings about Trump?

                              For let me assure you, once the genie is out of the bottle, this does not end here. Successful tactics will be used in politics until they are no longer successful. And we take another step into the abyss...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                89th
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                                If only there was another way for Trump to stay out of the courts...

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  If only there was another way for Trump to stay out of the courts...

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
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                                  #32

                                  @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                  If only there was another way for Trump to stay out of the courts...

                                  There's not going to be, my young idiot.

                                  Do you not understand? Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Tom-K
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                                    All this is doing is making the United States look like a Third World country.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                      It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                      You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                      You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                      Really,?

                                      What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

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                                      Horace
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                                      #34

                                      @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                      @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                      It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                      You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                      You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                      Really,?

                                      What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

                                      Prosecutorial discretion makes all the difference in law enforcement. Both sides realize this, from information in different contexts. The prosecutions of Trump or Jan 6 rioters on the right, "mass incarceration of minorities" on the left. Both are thought to be the product of biased prosecutorial discretion. The left does something about it by appointing and electing prosecutors whose explicit platforms are to go easy on criminals. They also happen to elect or appoint prosecutors with explicit platforms to go hard on Trump.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        Special counsel Jack Smith has outlined new details of former President Donald Trump and his allies' sweeping and "increasingly desperate" efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss

                                        "When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office," the filing said. "With private co-conspirators, the defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate election results in seven states that he had lost."

                                        The filing includes an 80-page summary of the evidence gathered by investigators

                                        Here is the full filing:

                                        https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/10/gov.uscourts.dcd_.258148.252.0.pdf

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          There’s some good stuff in there I’ll bet.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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