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*Another* Trump indictment

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #11

    As usual, no discernment, no nuance, no understanding.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      #12

      I agree with @Axtremus on this. Voting for someone just because a person feels sorry for them does not seem to be a good way to decide who to vote for. Especially when nothing else has changed.

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      • MikM Offline
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        #13

        It has nothing to do with feeling sorry for Trump. It’s an egregious and corrupt abuse of power, a much greater threat to democracy than Trump.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          It has nothing to do with feeling sorry for Trump. It’s an egregious and corrupt abuse of power, a much greater threat to democracy than Trump.

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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #14

          @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

          It has nothing to do with feeling sorry for Trump. It’s an egregious and corrupt abuse of power, a much greater threat to democracy than Trump.

          Amen.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Mik

            Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

            89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote on last edited by 89th
            #15

            @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

            Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

            Believe it or not, I don't think Jack Smith's motivation is driven by politics. He doesn't care if this helps or hurts the Trump campaign. He's enforcing the law. And @jon-nyc said, pragmatically, it's not a new indictment, but an updated one based on a court ruling, which makes sense.

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              89th
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              #16

              Here's an idea, read the indictment. Replace "Trump" with "Obama" and tell me how you'd feel if Obama tried to remain in power despite losing in an electoral landslide.

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              • 89th8 89th

                @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

                Believe it or not, I don't think Jack Smith's motivation is driven by politics. He doesn't care if this helps or hurts the Trump campaign. He's enforcing the law. And @jon-nyc said, pragmatically, it's not a new indictment, but an updated one based on a court ruling, which makes sense.

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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                @Mik said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                Don't they know they're just sending more people over to Trump?

                Believe it or not, I don't think Jack Smith's motivation is driven by politics. He doesn't care if this helps or hurts the Trump campaign. He's enforcing the law. And @jon-nyc said, pragmatically, it's not a new indictment, but an updated one based on a court ruling, which makes sense.

                Have you not followed Jack's career?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  89th
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  Believe it or not I haven't. Jack Smith, isn't he a character in James Patterson novels?

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    Do some research.

                    You often espouse opinions based on no knowledge of motives or backstories.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      #20

                      I mean, I read the indictment. Do you disagree with the facts?

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                        89th
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                        #21

                        Jack Smith has prosected Kosovo war crimes, criminals who killed NYPD cops, and various democrat and republican politicians. He seems normal to me.

                        Wait, he has completed over 100 triathlons and 9 ironmans? Ok, nevermind, he is nuts.

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                          Jolly
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                          #22

                          And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Horace
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                            #23

                            I am sure Jack Smith is sincere in his belief that his overreach is for the good of America.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

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                              89th
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                              And Jack Smith got slapped down 8-0 by SCOTUS, in which the Justices called one of the most blatant overreaches of government power. Ever.

                              Ok great, the check and balance is working.

                              System is working.

                              w00t

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #25

                                It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                Really,?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  #26

                                  Well, better than this guy.
                                  https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/04/us/longest-wrongful-prison-sentence/

                                  An innocent man spent 46 years in prison.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    Helluva comparison...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      Exactly. Just putting some perspective on what President Trump is (rightly or wrongly) going through.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                        You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                        You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                        Really,?

                                        89th8 Offline
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                                        89th
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #29

                                        @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                        It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                        You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                        You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                        Really,?

                                        What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                          It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                          You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                          You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                          Really,?

                                          What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                          #30

                                          @89th said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                          @Jolly said in *Another* Trump indictment:

                                          It shouldn't have to get to a slap-down, to be considered working.

                                          You do realize the government caused the defendant a mountain of money before Smith got bitch slapped?

                                          You're ok with that? Is that the system working? The " we don't care about what's right or wrong, as long as the government wins or bankrupts the defendant?

                                          Really,?

                                          What are you talking about? I care about what is right, I don't care "which side wins". Maybe this is the difference. I'd be just as happy if Trump was found not guilty of the 46 felony charges, as long as the system worked to enforce the law.

                                          Guess what? The people engaged in lawfare would like to see him in jail, but that's not why this is happening. This is a coordinated, legal maneuver to bring political hurt.

                                          1. It's taking more money than you'll make in a lifetime to mount a defense. Yes, Trump will raise money for his defense and some of that money will come out of his pocket. Money is the mother's milk of a national political campaign, just ask Scranton Joe.

                                          2. Time. How much time has Trump spent in a courtroom or meeting lawyers, when he should be campaigning or raising money? Multiple, simultaneous court cases are a huge time sink.

                                          3. Why were all these cases filed within a very short span? Why were they filed at the start of the campaign? Why were they filed at all?

                                          4. Perception. The Dems desperately wanted a conviction, even if they know it will be overturned. The labels don't have to last forever, just past the second Tuesday in November.

                                          If you value freedom from the tyranny of the courts, if you value the American concept of fair play, if you value the ability to have free and fair elections, then why can't you see this for what it is, regardless of your personal feelings about Trump?

                                          For let me assure you, once the genie is out of the bottle, this does not end here. Successful tactics will be used in politics until they are no longer successful. And we take another step into the abyss...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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