Three years ago today...
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wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 20:21 last edited by
Eugene Robinson at WaPo: Don’t yawn at Trump’s dishonorable use of Arlington National Cemetery
Donald Trump has shown the nation, once again, that he has no shame.
You knew that, of course. But hauling a camera crew to Arlington National Cemetery and exploiting the fresh graves of heroes — using them as props in his presidential campaign — was more than a violation of the cemetery’s rules; it was more, even, than a violation of federal law. It was a deeply dishonorable act by a shockingly dishonorable man.Just because we are accustomed to this kind of behavior from Trump does not mean we should accept it. Just because he has no sense of honor or appreciation of sacrifice does not mean we have to pretend honor and sacrifice no longer exist. Just because “Trump is an awful person” is an old story does not mean we should yawn at this latest demonstration and quickly move on.
Obama ad:
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Eugene Robinson at WaPo: Don’t yawn at Trump’s dishonorable use of Arlington National Cemetery
Donald Trump has shown the nation, once again, that he has no shame.
You knew that, of course. But hauling a camera crew to Arlington National Cemetery and exploiting the fresh graves of heroes — using them as props in his presidential campaign — was more than a violation of the cemetery’s rules; it was more, even, than a violation of federal law. It was a deeply dishonorable act by a shockingly dishonorable man.Just because we are accustomed to this kind of behavior from Trump does not mean we should accept it. Just because he has no sense of honor or appreciation of sacrifice does not mean we have to pretend honor and sacrifice no longer exist. Just because “Trump is an awful person” is an old story does not mean we should yawn at this latest demonstration and quickly move on.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 22:41 last edited byAt least Obama didn't do it on the 11th anniversary that coincides with an election year.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 23:08 last edited by jon-nyc
@George-K A serving Commander in Chief honoring fallen vets is quite different from an aspirant for office exploiting them during a campaign.
Maybe the gap would close a bit had Obama done that in September of 2012, but on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 it was the right thing to do. Indeed, imagine the reaction of the RWEC had he not done something like that.
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@George-K A serving Commander in Chief honoring fallen vets is quite different from an aspirant for office exploiting them during a campaign.
Maybe the gap would close a bit had Obama done that in September of 2012, but on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 it was the right thing to do. Indeed, imagine the reaction of the RWEC had he not done something like that.
wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 23:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Three years ago today...:
@George-K A serving Commander in Chief honoring fallen vets is quite different from an aspirant for office exploiting them during a campaign.
Maybe the gap would close a bit had Obama done that in September of 2012, but on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 it was the right thing to do. Indeed, imagine the reaction of the RWEC had he not done something like that.
Maybe this wouldn’t be a big deal if Biden or Harris ever actually spoke with any of the Gold Star parents or even read the names and acknowledged their sacrifice? Just a thought.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 23:14 last edited by
Donny Fonzerelli Trump visits fallen soldiers.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2024, 23:25 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Three years ago today...:
Donny Fonzerelli Trump visits fallen soldiers.
And 95% of the families were grateful.
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wrote on 30 Aug 2024, 00:42 last edited by
@Jolly said in Three years ago today...:
Thou sayest.
Me Knowest! LOL
40% of the voting population will vote for President Trump, regardless of what he has said or done in the past, and regardless of what he says or does in the future to the election time.
40% of the voting population will vote for VP Harris, regardless of what she has said or done in the past, and regardless of what she says or does in the future to the election time.
20% will decide the election.
That is who both candidates should be focusing on - those 20%.
And trust me that the above, is not something that will sway the 20%.
(Having said that, I am 95% sure that President Trump had no decision or part in the whole fiasco. It is basically the fault of his campaign staff, but as has been said, it is perception...........)
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At least Obama didn't do it on the 11th anniversary that coincides with an election year.
wrote on 30 Aug 2024, 01:18 last edited by Jolly@Axtremus said in Three years ago today...:
At least Obama didn't do it on the 11th anniversary that coincides with an election year.
Was Obama invited?
Gold star families invited Trump, because they thought the Biden-Harris Administration caused their loved ones deaths through negligence and then gave them a fucking over afterwards.
With Trump there, it guarantees that people do not forget.
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@jon-nyc said in Three years ago today...:
Donny Fonzerelli Trump visits fallen soldiers.
And 95% of the families were grateful.
wrote on 30 Aug 2024, 01:51 last edited by jon-nyc@LuFins-Dad said in Three years ago today...:
@jon-nyc said in Three years ago today...:
Donny Fonzerelli Trump visits fallen soldiers.
And 95% of the families were grateful.
Where’s that “point” floating over the guy’s head gif?
No doubt we could find a number of families of fallen soldiers that would invite Free Palestine protestors to their son’s graves for the photo op. Wouldn’t make it appropriate.
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wrote on 30 Aug 2024, 01:55 last edited by
I haven't heard the families complaining. Maybe I missed something...
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wrote on 30 Aug 2024, 02:10 last edited by jon-nyc
You did miss something - the post above yours.
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wrote on 31 Aug 2024, 21:35 last edited by Jolly
Anybody know what time it is?
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wrote on 31 Aug 2024, 22:31 last edited by
My son was murdered by the Biden-Harris Administration...
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wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 01:26 last edited by
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
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Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 01:34 last edited by Jolly 9 Jan 2024, 01:35@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
That's correct, but very misleading. You like graphs...Graph out the months when those deaths occurred.
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wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 01:43 last edited by
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner
Says 2019 had 21 deaths due to hostile action.
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@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
That's correct, but very misleading. You like graphs...Graph out the months when those deaths occurred.
wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 01:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Three years ago today...:
@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
That's correct, but very misleading. You like graphs...Graph out the months when those deaths occurred.
You're right - joking is not the right word, but my response was probably misleading, but there is still a semi valid point.
I have not study each of the combat deaths in 2019, but I am guessing that more than one of them was somehow the result of bad planning, poor support, lack of XXX, etc. As Commander in Chief, does the ultimate responsibilty fall to the president for their (possibly preventable) death?
Murder is probably not the correct word either from the mom.
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@Jolly said in Three years ago today...:
@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
That's correct, but very misleading. You like graphs...Graph out the months when those deaths occurred.
You're right - joking is not the right word, but my response was probably misleading, but there is still a semi valid point.
I have not study each of the combat deaths in 2019, but I am guessing that more than one of them was somehow the result of bad planning, poor support, lack of XXX, etc. As Commander in Chief, does the ultimate responsibilty fall to the president for their (possibly preventable) death?
Murder is probably not the correct word either from the mom.
wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 02:26 last edited by Jolly 9 Jan 2024, 02:26@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
@Jolly said in Three years ago today...:
@taiwan_girl said in Three years ago today...:
Its sad that 13 families in 2021 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter during military action.
it is also sad that 19 families in 2019 had to bear the death of a military son or daughter action..
That's correct, but very misleading. You like graphs...Graph out the months when those deaths occurred.
You're right - joking is not the right word, but my response was probably misleading, but there is still a semi valid point.
I have not study each of the combat deaths in 2019, but I am guessing that more than one of them was somehow the result of bad planning, poor support, lack of XXX, etc. As Commander in Chief, does the ultimate responsibilty fall to the president for their (possibly preventable) death?
Murder is probably not the correct word either from the mom.
I think her term was pretty close to the mark. That entire mess was a clusterfuck turned up to 11.
A combat death is one thing. An IED, a lone sniper, a suicide bomber...One can try to mitigate casualties, but you can't escape them. Or, as Johnny Jones says about when his legs got blown off and his two battle buddies were killed...If I stepped right instead of left, they'd be alive and I would have legs.
Biden made multiple mistakes, horrible mistakes during the Afghanistan withdrawal. It in no way compares with typical combat deaths in a war zone
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wrote on 1 Sept 2024, 02:37 last edited by
How many of those combat deaths in 2019 were followed up with Afghani Civilian Contractors, allies of our forces, falling from airliners they were trying to hold onto to get away from what our troops abandoned them to?