About character, integrity, and being racist
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wrote on 25 Aug 2020, 14:41 last edited by
i have always been baffled by the claims that he is a racist when the record sproves the opposite.
But then I am baffled when I am labeled a racist too. Say, do you think it could just be a convenient weapon?
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wrote on 25 Aug 2020, 19:33 last edited by
It's a conversational hand grenade and clears the table of rational thought.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 11:03 last edited by
How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
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How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 11:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
Or suing elderly widows to try and force them to sell their home?
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 11:43 last edited by Klaus
"Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.
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"Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 11:46 last edited by@Klaus said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
"Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.
As someone said, "When everything is 'racist,' nothing is 'racist.'"
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 14:21 last edited by
Today, Walker said that he has lost friends because of his support of Trump.
How pathetic is that...
...of course, there's at least one member here (rarely visits any more) who stated that he will "defriend" anyone who is a Trump supporter.
So much for tolerance, I suppose.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 14:37 last edited by
Well, one would never want to be friends with anyone who disagrees with them.
Pretty tribal, that.
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How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 15:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.
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@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 15:19 last edited by@Larry said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?
There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.
Ah. So is the explanation that this is normal practice or that Trump didn't know/direct?
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 15:25 last edited by
No one starts a 100 million dollar construction project planning to stiff a few small vendors. And no one who owns a company big enough to start a 100 million dollar construction project is out shopping for drapes.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 15:44 last edited by Mik
Not getting paid on development projects is a known risk when dealing with developers. I’m not defending it but it is nowhere near as rare as it is being made out. He may have overreached on the Taj Mahal after great success with the prior two Atlantic City properties, but he was also blindsided by Black Friday and higher interest rates.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 15:59 last edited by jon-nyc
Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.
By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:01 last edited by
I thought you mentioned once in passing that you count yourself among those personally shafted by Trump.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:02 last edited by
His "special reputation" didn't seem to become all that special until after he said he might run for president.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:05 last edited by
Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.
US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.
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Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.
US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.
US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.
I googled that. I found that the NYT, WP, and a few other similar "news" sources made that claim, but then it quickly spiraled down into a quagmire of conspiracy theory nonsense that got crazier and crazier. Then I found where he had negotiated with several banks to save his company when the SHTF, but it seems that all were eventually satisfied, so I think this is another case of a story with a grain of truth, cherry picked to omit the parts that hurt the narrative, and pretty much just typical bull shit.
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Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.
By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:34 last edited by@jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:
Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.
By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.
No one said it was standard fare.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:10 last edited by
The top person in the company sets the tone. I agree that he/she will not be involved in every decision, but people below them certainly know the ethics and "tone" of the company and react appropriately.
Example: A friend of mine worked for a company where it was forbidden to have a relationship with a direct report. Under the previous head of the company, the rule was there, but "wink wink", there was no real punishment.
New CEO came in, reinforced the rule (among other things). A very high performer (junior vice minister or something like that) was found to be having a relationship with his secretary. Next day, his office was cleaned out and he was gone. Was the CEO personally involved in the removal - I doubt it. And he may not have even know about it. But, everybody knew what happened.
BUT, you can be sure that this did not occur again with anybody else.