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About character, integrity, and being racist

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
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    i have always been baffled by the claims that he is a racist when the record sproves the opposite.

    But then I am baffled when I am labeled a racist too. Say, do you think it could just be a convenient weapon?

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #4

      It's a conversational hand grenade and clears the table of rational thought.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #5

        How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

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          LuFins Dad
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          #6

          @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

          How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

          Or suing elderly widows to try and force them to sell their home?

          The Brad

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Klaus
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            #7

            "Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.

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            • KlausK Klaus

              "Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.

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              George K
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              @Klaus said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

              "Racist" isn't among the main problems with Trump. Also, the word has become mostly devoid of meaning in modern conversation. It's the word progressives use to express disagreement.

              As someone said, "When everything is 'racist,' nothing is 'racist.'"

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                Today, Walker said that he has lost friends because of his support of Trump.

                How pathetic is that...

                ...of course, there's at least one member here (rarely visits any more) who stated that he will "defriend" anyone who is a Trump supporter.

                So much for tolerance, I suppose.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
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                  Well, one would never want to be friends with anyone who disagrees with them.

                  Pretty tribal, that.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

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                    Larry
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                    @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                    How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

                    There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.

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                    • LarryL Larry

                      @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                      How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

                      There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.

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                      @Larry said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                      @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                      How do you square ‘of the highest integrity’ with all the stories of him stiffing small vendors?

                      There are many layers of managers and corporate wheels between the top dog and a small vendor.

                      Ah. So is the explanation that this is normal practice or that Trump didn't know/direct?

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                      • LarryL Offline
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                        Larry
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                        #13

                        No one starts a 100 million dollar construction project planning to stiff a few small vendors. And no one who owns a company big enough to start a 100 million dollar construction project is out shopping for drapes.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          #14

                          Not getting paid on development projects is a known risk when dealing with developers. I’m not defending it but it is nowhere near as rare as it is being made out. He may have overreached on the Taj Mahal after great success with the prior two Atlantic City properties, but he was also blindsided by Black Friday and higher interest rates.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Horace
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                            I think @jon-nyc has a personal story about a bank he worked for being shafted by Trump. Maybe jon can share it.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #16

                              Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.

                              By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                I thought you mentioned once in passing that you count yourself among those personally shafted by Trump.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  His "special reputation" didn't seem to become all that special until after he said he might run for president.

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                                    Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.

                                    US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.

                                      US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.

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                                      Larry
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                                      @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                                      Not true at all. You just didn't hear of it until then.

                                      US banks quit dealing with him ages ago.

                                      I googled that. I found that the NYT, WP, and a few other similar "news" sources made that claim, but then it quickly spiraled down into a quagmire of conspiracy theory nonsense that got crazier and crazier. Then I found where he had negotiated with several banks to save his company when the SHTF, but it seems that all were eventually satisfied, so I think this is another case of a story with a grain of truth, cherry picked to omit the parts that hurt the narrative, and pretty much just typical bull shit.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.

                                        By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.

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                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in About character, integrity, and being racist:

                                        Not that I know of. But I was in the securities side, not commercial banking.

                                        By the way I don't think the idea that this is standard fare for a 100MM company holds water. He had a special reputation for stiffing people. Note that he was always dealing with foreign banks. US banks knew better. Maybe they got burned decades earlier.

                                        No one said it was standard fare.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          taiwan_girl
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                                          The top person in the company sets the tone. I agree that he/she will not be involved in every decision, but people below them certainly know the ethics and "tone" of the company and react appropriately.

                                          Example: A friend of mine worked for a company where it was forbidden to have a relationship with a direct report. Under the previous head of the company, the rule was there, but "wink wink", there was no real punishment.

                                          New CEO came in, reinforced the rule (among other things). A very high performer (junior vice minister or something like that) was found to be having a relationship with his secretary. Next day, his office was cleaned out and he was gone. Was the CEO personally involved in the removal - I doubt it. And he may not have even know about it. But, everybody knew what happened.

                                          BUT, you can be sure that this did not occur again with anybody else.

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