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Let's talk Venezuela

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Jon's gone all Inca on us. You won't see him in Caracas.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #3

      I actually worked there for maybe 6-8 weeks in 1997. For PDVSA no less, the state run oil company.

      My last visit was in the fall of 1998, right around the time Chavez took power. I went there to visit a girl I had been working with in São Paulo (long story). Gasoline was 17c a gallon domestically.

      Around then I also spent some time in Bogota. At that time Bogota was dangerous and Caracas was safe. It’s exactly the opposite now.

      Something like 20% of the population has fled the country since then. Almost all the people I worked with there fled early, as they had good jobs with multinational corporations.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #4

        Screenshot 2024-07-30 at 6.05.14 PM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #5

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #6

            @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

            Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

              Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

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              George K
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              #7

              @Jolly said in Let's talk Venezuela:

              Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

              Exactly. It's very impressive, but I see stories that Maduro is cracking down on the protests and rallies.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
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                It wasn't in Iran.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  Maduro still has hold in over the army. If he were to lose that control then it’s good night Caracas for him and his regime.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    Hopefully it will work. Reading back on Premier Ceausescu, nobody really predicted that or thought it was possible. (But I think that was more of a coupe than a true public uprising and overthrow).

                    Sad what is happening to the people down there in Ven.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #11

                      Well, at least some of the criminal element is out of the mix.

                      They're here...

                      https://nypost.com/2024/07/30/us-news/venezuelan-gang-tren-de-aragua-gives-green-light-to-shoot-denver-cops/

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        #12

                        The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                        I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                          I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

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                          @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                          The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                          I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

                          Nah, he just did a Biden.

                          A politically expedient big lie, with no intention of doing anything you say.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                            The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                            I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

                            Nah, he just did a Biden.

                            A politically expedient big lie, with no intention of doing anything you say.

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                            taiwan_girl
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                            #14

                            @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

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                              George K
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                              @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                              @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

                              I saw a chart indicating that pre-Chavez, Venezuela was the richest country in South America. It is now the poorest.

                              https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/08/venezuela-economic-woes-2017-explained/

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Omg the stupid - it burns.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                  Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                    Omg the stupid - it burns.

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                                    George K
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                                    #18

                                    @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                    Now do Great Britain.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Omg the stupid - it burns.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #19

                                      @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                      Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                        #20

                                        When Trump made that statement, was it correct?

                                        Trump's campaign line has been that the border problem has led to increased crime in the U.S., because Venezuela had shipped a lot of their criminals northward. Since they had less criminals, Venezuela 's crime rate had fallen.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                          Now do Great Britain.

                                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          #21

                                          @George-K said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                          Now do Great Britain.

                                          You mean the first Islamist state with nookilur weapons?

                                          I was only joking

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