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Let's talk Venezuela

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #3

    I actually worked there for maybe 6-8 weeks in 1997. For PDVSA no less, the state run oil company.

    My last visit was in the fall of 1998, right around the time Chavez took power. I went there to visit a girl I had been working with in São Paulo (long story). Gasoline was 17c a gallon domestically.

    Around then I also spent some time in Bogota. At that time Bogota was dangerous and Caracas was safe. It’s exactly the opposite now.

    Something like 20% of the population has fled the country since then. Almost all the people I worked with there fled early, as they had good jobs with multinational corporations.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #4

      Screenshot 2024-07-30 at 6.05.14 PM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #5

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #6

          @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

          Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

            Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #7

            @Jolly said in Let's talk Venezuela:

            Yeah, but is it going to be enough?

            Exactly. It's very impressive, but I see stories that Maduro is cracking down on the protests and rallies.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
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              #8

              It wasn't in Iran.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
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                #9

                Maduro still has hold in over the army. If he were to lose that control then it’s good night Caracas for him and his regime.

                Elbows up!

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  #10

                  Hopefully it will work. Reading back on Premier Ceausescu, nobody really predicted that or thought it was possible. (But I think that was more of a coupe than a true public uprising and overthrow).

                  Sad what is happening to the people down there in Ven.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #11

                    Well, at least some of the criminal element is out of the mix.

                    They're here...

                    https://nypost.com/2024/07/30/us-news/venezuelan-gang-tren-de-aragua-gives-green-light-to-shoot-denver-cops/

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                      I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                        I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                        The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                        I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

                        Nah, he just did a Biden.

                        A politically expedient big lie, with no intention of doing anything you say.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                          The US signed a "secret" MOU with Venezuela last May '23 that would reduce sanctions and restore diplomacy IF Maduro held free fair elections.

                          I guess Maduro just read the part about holding elections. LOL

                          Nah, he just did a Biden.

                          A politically expedient big lie, with no intention of doing anything you say.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #14

                          @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

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                            George K
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                            @taiwan_girl said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                            @Jolly As a county, Venezuela had a lot to gain if he had followed through. Sad for the citizens of the country.

                            I saw a chart indicating that pre-Chavez, Venezuela was the richest country in South America. It is now the poorest.

                            https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/08/venezuela-economic-woes-2017-explained/

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #16

                              Omg the stupid - it burns.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Omg the stupid - it burns.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #17

                                @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                  Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #18

                                  @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                  Now do Great Britain.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Omg the stupid - it burns.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #19

                                    @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                    Omg the stupid - it burns.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                      #20

                                      When Trump made that statement, was it correct?

                                      Trump's campaign line has been that the border problem has led to increased crime in the U.S., because Venezuela had shipped a lot of their criminals northward. Since they had less criminals, Venezuela 's crime rate had fallen.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                        Now do Great Britain.

                                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #21

                                        @George-K said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Let's talk Venezuela:

                                        Now do Great Britain.

                                        You mean the first Islamist state with nookilur weapons?

                                        I was only joking

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