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Ceding the Working Class

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    Horace
    wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:32 last edited by
    #12

    jon, I bet you can't even find a falsehood in Trump's speeches as important and defaming of a political side as Biden's. If your attempt at whataboutism is a post on TNCR, well, thanks for the respect but I don't find them equally important or worthy of commentary.

    Education is extremely important.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:33 last edited by
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      @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      • J jon-nyc
        23 Aug 2020, 23:08

        Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

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        George K
        wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:35 last edited by
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        @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

        Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

        You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

        IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • J jon-nyc
          23 Aug 2020, 23:33

          @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

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          Larry
          wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:35 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

          @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

          USA Today is one of the last places I'd turn to for checking facts. I know what I saw. Perhaps you need to stop getting all your information from propaganda.

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          • G George K
            23 Aug 2020, 23:35

            @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

            Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

            You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

            IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

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            Larry
            wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:36 last edited by
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            @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

            @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

            Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

            You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

            IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

            Exactly. The thing is, Jon knows this.

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              George K
              wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:36 last edited by
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              "During two of those meetings – the LGBTQ caucus meeting and the Muslim Delegates Assembly – when the pledge was recited, "under God" was omitted"

              Why are gays and Muslims against saying "under God?"....

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:37 last edited by
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                I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:37 last edited by
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                  in fairness, most of jon's non-TNCR friends would believe that Trump voters, behind closed doors, support Nazis and all those people. And I doubt jon goes out of his way to correct them. Not because he doesn't know better, but because he wouldn't want to be painted as someone who secretly likes Nazis.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    23 Aug 2020, 23:37

                    I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:39 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

                    Willful ignorance is lying, and if Larry or anybody else was being willfully ignorant of anything, they were lying. I'm not convinced he was.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:42 last edited by
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                      Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                      Just want to clear that up.

                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                        Larry
                        wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:43 last edited by
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                        This makes two things you lied about and then tried to accuse me of ignorance, Jon. Don't do it again or I'll make you listen to Ax play the piano for an hour...

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                        • J jon-nyc
                          23 Aug 2020, 23:42

                          Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                          Just want to clear that up.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:46 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                          Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                          Just want to clear that up.

                          What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                          Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.

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                          • G George K
                            23 Aug 2020, 23:35

                            @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                            You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                            IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:25 last edited by
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                            @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                            You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                            If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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                              Larry
                              wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:28 last edited by
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                              Link to video

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                              • A Axtremus
                                24 Aug 2020, 00:25

                                @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                                You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                                If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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                                George K
                                wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:30 last edited by
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                                @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

                                You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.

                                However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.

                                Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • L Larry
                                  23 Aug 2020, 23:46

                                  @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                  Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                                  Just want to clear that up.

                                  What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                  Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:30 last edited by
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                                  @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                  What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                  The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                  Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:32 last edited by
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                                    We must be careful in how much we show how much information is being withheld from democrats. Their heads might implode.

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                                    • A Axtremus
                                      24 Aug 2020, 00:30

                                      @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                      What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                      The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                      Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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                                      Larry
                                      wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:33 last edited by
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                                      @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                      @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                      What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                      The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                      Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

                                      I know who I'm talking about, cuck.

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                                      • A Axtremus
                                        24 Aug 2020, 00:30

                                        @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                        The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                        Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:33 last edited by
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                                        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                        Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

                                        Why do you consider Muslims and LGBTQ people not "regular?"

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Larry
                                          wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:36 last edited by
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                                          Link to video

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