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Ceding the Working Class

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Careful Larry, Horace is going to call you a liar.

    They didn’t leave out ‘under god’.

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    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

    Careful Larry, Horace is going to call you a liar.

    They didn’t leave out ‘under god’.

    Yes they did. I saw 4 different ones recite the pledge, and when they came to the "under God" they made it an obvious point that it was being left out on purpose.

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      Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Get your facts straight, and stop trying to switch from one thing to the other. We were not talking about the convention speaker. You were talking about the "regular people" online. That would be the caucuses. I PERSONALLY watched 4 different sick fucks say the pledge as they began their caucus meeting, and every damned one of them made it a POINT to omit "under God".

        Now I know you're not a stupid man, so stop acting like one.

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          Oh look, it came from the liar-in-chief.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            jon, I bet you can't even find a falsehood in Trump's speeches as important and defaming of a political side as Biden's. If your attempt at whataboutism is a post on TNCR, well, thanks for the respect but I don't find them equally important or worthy of commentary.

            Education is extremely important.

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              @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

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                @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                  @Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.

                  USA Today is one of the last places I'd turn to for checking facts. I know what I saw. Perhaps you need to stop getting all your information from propaganda.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                    IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

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                    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                    IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

                    Exactly. The thing is, Jon knows this.

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                      "During two of those meetings – the LGBTQ caucus meeting and the Muslim Delegates Assembly – when the pledge was recited, "under God" was omitted"

                      Why are gays and Muslims against saying "under God?"....

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          in fairness, most of jon's non-TNCR friends would believe that Trump voters, behind closed doors, support Nazis and all those people. And I doubt jon goes out of his way to correct them. Not because he doesn't know better, but because he wouldn't want to be painted as someone who secretly likes Nazis.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.

                            Willful ignorance is lying, and if Larry or anybody else was being willfully ignorant of anything, they were lying. I'm not convinced he was.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                              Just want to clear that up.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                This makes two things you lied about and then tried to accuse me of ignorance, Jon. Don't do it again or I'll make you listen to Ax play the piano for an hour...

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                                  Just want to clear that up.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                  Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                                  Just want to clear that up.

                                  What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                  Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                                    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                                    IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

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                                    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                                    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                                    If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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                                      Link to video

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

                                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

                                        You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

                                        If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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                                        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

                                        You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.

                                        However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.

                                        Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • LarryL Larry

                                          @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                          Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

                                          Just want to clear that up.

                                          What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                          Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.

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                                          @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                          What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                                          The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                                          Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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