Ceding the Working Class
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:08 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:30 last edited by Larry
Get your facts straight, and stop trying to switch from one thing to the other. We were not talking about the convention speaker. You were talking about the "regular people" online. That would be the caucuses. I PERSONALLY watched 4 different sick fucks say the pledge as they began their caucus meeting, and every damned one of them made it a POINT to omit "under God".
Now I know you're not a stupid man, so stop acting like one.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:31 last edited by
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:32 last edited by
jon, I bet you can't even find a falsehood in Trump's speeches as important and defaming of a political side as Biden's. If your attempt at whataboutism is a post on TNCR, well, thanks for the respect but I don't find them equally important or worthy of commentary.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:35 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....
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@Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.
wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
@Larry Look at the video in the USA Today fact check. It shows all the ‘regular folk’ saying the phrase.
USA Today is one of the last places I'd turn to for checking facts. I know what I saw. Perhaps you need to stop getting all your information from propaganda.
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@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....
wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:36 last edited by@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....
Exactly. The thing is, Jon knows this.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:36 last edited by
"During two of those meetings – the LGBTQ caucus meeting and the Muslim Delegates Assembly – when the pledge was recited, "under God" was omitted"
Why are gays and Muslims against saying "under God?"....
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:37 last edited by
I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:37 last edited by
in fairness, most of jon's non-TNCR friends would believe that Trump voters, behind closed doors, support Nazis and all those people. And I doubt jon goes out of his way to correct them. Not because he doesn't know better, but because he wouldn't want to be painted as someone who secretly likes Nazis.
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I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.
wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:39 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.
Willful ignorance is lying, and if Larry or anybody else was being willfully ignorant of anything, they were lying. I'm not convinced he was.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:42 last edited by
Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:43 last edited by
This makes two things you lied about and then tried to accuse me of ignorance, Jon. Don't do it again or I'll make you listen to Ax play the piano for an hour...
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Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
wrote on 23 Aug 2020, 23:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.
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@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....
wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:25 last edited by@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
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wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:28 last edited by
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@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:30 last edited by@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.
However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.
Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?
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@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.
wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:30 last edited by@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about. -
wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:32 last edited by
We must be careful in how much we show how much information is being withheld from democrats. Their heads might implode.