Secret Service under fire
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 18:55 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:08 last edited by
Jesus.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:09 last edited by
I still do not see how they were watching him and he got several shots off.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:18 last edited by
Rules of Engagement?
They're so scared of shooting the wrong person, they do not fire until fired upon?
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:21 last edited by
I agree with Jolly - they're not allowed to shoot first, ask questions later - especially if the police were supposed to be in that building. It could have been a police officer on the roof for the agents knew.
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I agree with Jolly - they're not allowed to shoot first, ask questions later - especially if the police were supposed to be in that building. It could have been a police officer on the roof for the agents knew.
wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:26 last edited by@kluurs said in Secret Service under fire:
It could have been a police officer on the roof for the agents knew.
Possible. That would have been communicated, however.
But then....
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:28 last edited by
In the past 2 months, the Secret Service have:
Driven Kamala Harris past an unexploded and still live bomb and had a female agent on the Harris detail physically assault her supervisor. The concerns have been large enough that the agents themselves had circulated a petition a month ago to request for a Congress hearing on safety that was granted and was scheduled for next week…
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 19:29 last edited by
What happens at the next rally when the Secret Service sniper sees a local cop on the roof?
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 20:00 last edited by
That 'slope' would pass ADA for a ramp.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 20:14 last edited by
There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 20:19 last edited by kluurs
From what I've heard (always suspect), there are 3 divisions of Secret Service involved with these kinds of things - with one group involved close-up with the President - the people we saw near or on the stage, a second group who manage the entry to the main area - doing screenings and a third who are the tactical/sniper folks. Per the officer, the local law enforcement are typically involved in the periphery areas - e.g. the barn where the sniper was seen.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 20:22 last edited by
The Secret Service will never live this down.
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There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 23:07 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Secret Service under fire:
There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
Agree with you and @Jolly and further, if the rifle wasn’t visible until the last few seconds, then it makes it a bit more understandable.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 23:31 last edited by
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
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Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 00:16 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 00:37 last edited by@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:00 last edited by
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:09 last edited by
Anybody who listened to the director of the agency and her excuses, who still thinks the Secret Service is a serious agency worthy of the mystique they’ve been dining out on forever, is a more hopeful person than I.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:10 last edited by George K
All this BS makes me want to re-read "Rawhide Down."
I've commented on my encounter with Tim McCarthy - the guy who took a bullet for Reagan.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 17:56 last edited by