Secret Service under fire
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I agree with Jolly - they're not allowed to shoot first, ask questions later - especially if the police were supposed to be in that building. It could have been a police officer on the roof for the agents knew.
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In the past 2 months, the Secret Service have:
Driven Kamala Harris past an unexploded and still live bomb and had a female agent on the Harris detail physically assault her supervisor. The concerns have been large enough that the agents themselves had circulated a petition a month ago to request for a Congress hearing on safety that was granted and was scheduled for next week…
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There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
The Brad
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From what I've heard (always suspect), there are 3 divisions of Secret Service involved with these kinds of things - with one group involved close-up with the President - the people we saw near or on the stage, a second group who manage the entry to the main area - doing screenings and a third who are the tactical/sniper folks. Per the officer, the local law enforcement are typically involved in the periphery areas - e.g. the barn where the sniper was seen.
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There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
@LuFins-Dad said in Secret Service under fire:
There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
Agree with you and @Jolly and further, if the rifle wasn’t visible until the last few seconds, then it makes it a bit more understandable.
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Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
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Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
