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    George K
    wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 13:40 last edited by
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    From the RWEC: "A disappointing choice"


    As expected, Donald Trump announced today that J.D. Vance will he his running mate. I think that is a bad decision for a number of reasons.

    At 39, Vance is too young for the role. And with less than two years in the Senate as his only political office, he has nowhere near the experience that a vice president should bring to a ticket.

    Vance, who is unknown to the general public, won’t bring Trump a single new vote. In fact, there is no reason to think that he is any kind of political powerhouse: in his only race, he ran far behind the other statewide Republican candidates in Ohio.

    Further, Vance’s political views are, in almost a literal sense, half-baked. He is still evolving. Thus, he denounced Trump viciously in 2016, while now he is an acolyte. In 2016, it was dumb of Vance to describe Trump as an “idiot,” as “noxious,” as one who is either “a cynical asshole” or “America’s Hitler,” just as it is dumb for Democrats to say the same things today. Vance’s never-Trumpism showed poor judgment, and 2016 is not exactly ancient history. Vance also converted to Catholicism in 2019. Nothing wrong with that; on the contrary, I applaud it. But we don’t need a president or vice president who is still on a voyage of self-discovery.

    I am also suspicious of Vance on foreign policy. In tone, he strikes me as something close to an isolationist. He attacks the Iraq war in a manner barely distinguishable from leftists, and his statement that “I got to be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another,” is flippant at best. The world needs a strong America; I am not sure Vance agrees.

    In short, while Vance is a bright guy and a pretty solid conservative, I don’t think he is anywhere near ready for prime time, and I don’t think he makes a perceptible contribution to the ticket. Trump had a number of much better choices available, and I think his selecting Vance reflects the poor judgment to which Trump is occasionally prone.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 16:32 last edited by
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      I think Trump picked Vance for several reasons:

      1. He's good friends with Don, Jr. They have hunted and fished together in the past. His private nature is known.
      2. Politically, he's MAGA.
      3. His backstory is a classic American success story.
      4. The campaign has already said they are going to use him traditional blue-collar areas, along with some suburban campaigning. Think Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan.
      5. Vance is bright, but can be pugnacious when dealing with the press. I think Trump likes that.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        16 Jul 2024, 16:32

        I think Trump picked Vance for several reasons:

        1. He's good friends with Don, Jr. They have hunted and fished together in the past. His private nature is known.
        2. Politically, he's MAGA.
        3. His backstory is a classic American success story.
        4. The campaign has already said they are going to use him traditional blue-collar areas, along with some suburban campaigning. Think Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan.
        5. Vance is bright, but can be pugnacious when dealing with the press. I think Trump likes that.
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        George K
        wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 16:44 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in Vance?:

        pugnacious when dealing with the press. I think Trump likes that.

        Did you see Don Junior talking to the press at the convention yesterday? He called them out on many of the lies that they propagated.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 17:02 last edited by
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          I'm 5 foot 7 and I'm more of a man than you'll ever be. Just ask my hair stylist.

          I was only joking

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            Horace
            wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 18:08 last edited by
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            The 5’7 thing was a very successful troll by someone familiar with SEO.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 20:15 last edited by
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                Mik
                wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 20:45 last edited by
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                For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would think Pete, an unpopular mayor of a small city, would be a good president

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  20 Jul 2024, 20:45

                  For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would think Pete, an unpopular mayor of a small city, would be a good president

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                  George K
                  wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 21:10 last edited by
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                  @Mik said in Vance?:

                  For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would think Pete, an unpopular mayor of a small city, would be a good president

                  Or even a mayor of a small city, for that matter.

                  Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    20 Jul 2024, 21:10

                    @Mik said in Vance?:

                    For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would think Pete, an unpopular mayor of a small city, would be a good president

                    Or even a mayor of a small city, for that matter.

                    Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 21:18 last edited by
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                    @George-K said in Vance?:

                    Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

                    Like Trump, a “privileged white male”?

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                      20 Jul 2024, 21:18

                      @George-K said in Vance?:

                      Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

                      Like Trump, a “privileged white male”?

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 21:46 last edited by
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                      @Axtremus said in Vance?:

                      @George-K said in Vance?:

                      Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

                      Like Trump, a “privileged white male”?

                      Nope, wife.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • G George K
                        20 Jul 2024, 21:10

                        @Mik said in Vance?:

                        For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would think Pete, an unpopular mayor of a small city, would be a good president

                        Or even a mayor of a small city, for that matter.

                        Oh, wait...he checks an important box.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 20 Jul 2024, 22:01 last edited by
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                        @George-K said in Vance?:

                        checks an important box

                        Member of a circus freak show?

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 21 Jul 2024, 00:38 last edited by
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                          Interesting. Out on the deck having a discussion with my bride about the crime structure in Middletown when I was growing up and how it differed from today. I wonder how much Vance knows about it since it was before his time.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on 21 Jul 2024, 00:47 last edited by
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                            https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Middletown-Ohio.html

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 21 Jul 2024, 01:25 last edited by
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                              That’s now. When I was over there it was all mobbed due to the union up so nobody really got too out of line. Now it’s largely street gang related.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 21 Jul 2024, 04:18 last edited by
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 21 Jul 2024, 21:06 last edited by
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                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 23 Jul 2024, 14:00 last edited by
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                                    Jesus...

                                    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2024/07/19/jd-vance-usha-chilukuri-indian-interracial-marriage-racism-trump-white-supremacy-rummana-hussain

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 23 Jul 2024, 14:26 last edited by
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                                      Yes we're already long past the point of being educated that one does not have to be white to be a white supremacist. Mostly, in order not to be a white supremacist, you have to vote Democrat. It's a color-blind concept, except for that first word in "white supremacist". That's definitely a color. Other than that, color has nothing to do with it.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 23 Jul 2024, 15:52 last edited by
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                                        And they wonder why people could care less about their BS...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 24 Jul 2024, 16:44 last edited by
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                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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