Trump - Butler, PA
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
I think Huckaby had an interesting take on the current state of America. He said we are currently experiencing a spiritual crisis.
Maybe if you think about it, Huckaby may have a point...
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The more pictures and videos I see the more I wonder how the snipers on the roof, whose job it is to detect and neutralize threats like that did not see Crooks in time. I’ve related my experience with Secret Service guys at one presidential election event. It just doesn’t track.
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On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
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@Mik said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Doesn’t make sense that Crooks ever got a shot off.
Agree. But you can see in the video the counter sniper was watching him and even “startled” when Crooks took the first shot. I have no idea, but considering how rare (and political) it would be for a Trump secret service officer to shoot and kill someone, I’m guessing they were waiting until they really saw a weapon or something unequivocally worthy of being killed.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
If you watch the speech, Trump just barely shifts his head towards the podium when he’s struck. Had he not done that it would’ve gone through the right side of his head.
And the high def photo of the bullet wizzing by would be instead a spray of brain matter.
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According to a report I heard, it has been the standing orders for the Secret Service to not shoot first in a situation like that for some time. There have been too many close calls with people with telescopes and the like, so the standing order is to not shoot unless they have taken hostile action.
I don’t know if that’s true, and it runs contrary to most reasoning, but so does having guys shorter than Trump trying to shield him, or having female agents that can’t figure out how to holster their weapon.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Bongino said last night, his sources told him that several of the "agents" working the Trump Rally were not Secret Service, but employees of another agency.
This dovetails with Crabtree's reporting.
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I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
Don't know.
I do know Trump also uses private security to flesh out his Secret Service detail.
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That’s gotta lead to some problems. Secret service gonna let a private security guy with a gun near the former president?
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
Secret Service sez...
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The Secret Service canceled their press conference the other night.
And you have accusations from various sources about deficiencies of one kind or another.
Plus, Congress said they plan to hold hearings on the Secret Service and their role, responsibility and response in this assassination attempt.
