Trump - Butler, PA
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:17 last edited by
And unmonitored.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:19 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trump - Butler, PA:
And unmonitored.
At least by authorities. Several people noted activity on the rooftop, including a ladder braced against the side of the building.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 22:02 last edited by
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
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Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 22:45 last edited by@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 23:54 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:11 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:33 last edited by
Cory Mills (R-FL).
Currently on FOX. Guy was a counter -sniper. Worth listening to. Pointed out multiple flaws and/or shortcomings in the counter-sniper response.
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:37 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
I think Huckaby had an interesting take on the current state of America. He said we are currently experiencing a spiritual crisis.
Maybe if you think about it, Huckaby may have a point...
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:43 last edited by
The more pictures and videos I see the more I wonder how the snipers on the roof, whose job it is to detect and neutralize threats like that did not see Crooks in time. I’ve related my experience with Secret Service guys at one presidential election event. It just doesn’t track.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 01:00 last edited by kluurs
On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
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On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 01:15 last edited by@kluurs said in Trump - Butler, PA:
they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes
I've seen the same story elsewhere. Not that adds any credibility, of course.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 01:29 last edited by
Doesn’t make sense that Crooks ever got a shot off.
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On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 01:44 last edited by@kluurs said in Trump - Butler, PA:
having been given order "not to take the shot."
By Ms. Clinton, I assume.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 02:19 last edited by
@Mik said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Doesn’t make sense that Crooks ever got a shot off.
Agree. But you can see in the video the counter sniper was watching him and even “startled” when Crooks took the first shot. I have no idea, but considering how rare (and political) it would be for a Trump secret service officer to shoot and kill someone, I’m guessing they were waiting until they really saw a weapon or something unequivocally worthy of being killed.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 02:21 last edited by@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
If you watch the speech, Trump just barely shifts his head towards the podium when he’s struck. Had he not done that it would’ve gone through the right side of his head.
And the high def photo of the bullet wizzing by would be instead a spray of brain matter.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 03:30 last edited by
According to a report I heard, it has been the standing orders for the Secret Service to not shoot first in a situation like that for some time. There have been too many close calls with people with telescopes and the like, so the standing order is to not shoot unless they have taken hostile action.
I don’t know if that’s true, and it runs contrary to most reasoning, but so does having guys shorter than Trump trying to shield him, or having female agents that can’t figure out how to holster their weapon.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 12:09 last edited by
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 12:17 last edited by Jolly
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Bongino said last night, his sources told him that several of the "agents" working the Trump Rally were not Secret Service, but employees of another agency.
This dovetails with Crabtree's reporting.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 12:20 last edited by
I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
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I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 12:22 last edited by@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?
Don't know.
I do know Trump also uses private security to flesh out his Secret Service detail.