Trump - Butler, PA
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Secret Service does a prelim and threat assessment, but they are mostly concerned with the area within their secure perimeter. Magnetometers were in place and they weren't even letting grandmothers carry their shade umbrellas in the rally.
Outside the rally is the responsibility of local and state authorities. You may have some Secret service liaison personnel with them.
Just a SWAG, but there were apparently multiple camouflaged officers dispersed at different points. Maybe, just maybe, some of the hesitation in reaction was local law enforcement trying to confirm the shooter did not belong?
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Secret Service does a prelim and threat assessment, but they are mostly concerned with the area within their secure perimeter. Magnetometers were in place and they weren't even letting grandmothers carry their shade umbrellas in the rally.
Outside the rally is the responsibility of local and state authorities. You may have some Secret service liaison personnel with them.
Just a SWAG, but there were apparently multiple camouflaged officers dispersed at different points. Maybe, just maybe, some of the hesitation in reaction was local law enforcement trying to confirm the shooter did not belong?
They might want to revisit the guidelines about ignoring everything outside their perimeter, if a gunman could easily take a shot from outside that perimeter.
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The Secret Service will be chastised for this. But Mr. Trump is alive.
"Having worked with the Secret Service before, as I was watching this unfold, I could not believe how long this played out before they got him off of that stage into the car, and then it took that vehicle that long to depart that area. It was a lifetime from a protection standpoint," former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam said during a special Sunday broadcast of "Fox & Friends First."
"A lot of people on the news… didn't want to be critical of the Secret Service but, as I watch this again… I'm astounded at the way things played out because it appeared as though it was being that the defense of Trump and the movements off were being made up as they went along, and that is not the way this elite service should be prepared for this and carrying out these tactics and this type of situation."
"If there had been a second shooter, there would have been plenty of opportunity to take him out again, so this breaks every rule of the Secret Service protocol and just general executive protection in general."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/split-second-turn-trump-life-expert-god-watching
@Copper said in Trump - Butler, PA:
The Secret Service will be chastised for this. But Mr. Trump is alive.
"Having worked with the Secret Service before, as I was watching this unfold, I could not believe how long this played out before they got him off of that stage into the car, and then it took that vehicle that long to depart that area. It was a lifetime from a protection standpoint," former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam said during a special Sunday broadcast of "Fox & Friends First."
"A lot of people on the news… didn't want to be critical of the Secret Service but, as I watch this again… I'm astounded at the way things played out because it appeared as though it was being that the defense of Trump and the movements off were being made up as they went along, and that is not the way this elite service should be prepared for this and carrying out these tactics and this type of situation."
"If there had been a second shooter, there would have been plenty of opportunity to take him out again, so this breaks every rule of the Secret Service protocol and just general executive protection in general."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/split-second-turn-trump-life-expert-god-watching
I think he's wrong. When Trump went down, he was behind a bullet-proof panel. The first agents shielded him with their bodies. Those agents did not let Trump get up from behind the barrier, until they clearly heard "Shooter down!"
Where they were probably wrong, was when Trump first asked for his shoes (I don't know if they waited for that) but then he could be heard telling them to "Wait!" That's when you got the fist pumps and Trump yelling "Fight! Fight!", and they hesitated for just a second or two before loading him into the SUV.
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Unfortunately, I think that if someone is desparate enough and does not fear consequences, it is impossible to eliminate all threats to a public figure like the president. It is sad that it has to be worried about.
(I am sure that many here on this forum board have read the book/seen the movie "Day of the Jackal". The only reason President DeGaulle is not shot is that he turns his head at the last moment. I kind of thought of that when this happened.)
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If former secret service agents and law enforcement officials want to be critical of the actions or steps, well they know better than me, but the guys that tried to protect and made a mistake are not on my blame list at all.
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Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
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Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
The Brad
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
I think Huckaby had an interesting take on the current state of America. He said we are currently experiencing a spiritual crisis.
Maybe if you think about it, Huckaby may have a point...
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The more pictures and videos I see the more I wonder how the snipers on the roof, whose job it is to detect and neutralize threats like that did not see Crooks in time. I’ve related my experience with Secret Service guys at one presidential election event. It just doesn’t track.
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On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
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On Tik Tok (possible - but credibility TBD), they're saying the secret service sniper had Crooks in his sights for 3 minutes prior to shooting Crooks - having been given order "not to take the shot." He took the shot as soon as Crooks opened fire.
