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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

@89th said in The Crime:

@Copper said in The Crime:

The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?

You know they can infect others, right?

No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

What is the goal? Where is the limit?

Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?

That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.

My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.

I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.

You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.

Other people can do what they want. My need to go to restaurants, bars and in planes just isn’t that great.

So I’m personally going to avoid them.

If enough people act like me the economy will suffer until this is figured out.

Aqua Letifer

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Axtremus

In this thread, the younger folks are the cautious ones while the older ones seem more keen to roll the dice with public health.

Klaus

I think it is a very good point that the answer to COVID must factor in all relevant consequences. Avoiding COVID deaths isn't the only, and not even necessarily the most important goal. It's a balancing act. In the response so far, too little thought was given about the side effects of closures. It's also regrettable that the goal has shifted in many people's mind, at least over here, from "slow down the spread to avoid overflowing hospitals" to "we must get to 0 infections".

The school closures here have done a lot of damage that we'll still feel for decades. My own kids are already showing signs of psychological distress, although we are among the least affected.

My wife had to tell people that they can't visit their dying partner or child in the hospital.

Many old people have been thrown completely under the bus due to isolation. Just a tiny example: My mother used to play bridge with a 93 year old lady. After a few months of lockdown, she has now forgotten how to play the game and has now lost her main social activity for the rest of her life. She turned from an autonomous individual to a senile person dependent on care. Millions of these "small deaths" have occured in the last months.

I'm fine with wearing masks, canceling mass events and other measures that follow a "80/20" philosophy.

But they should never again close schools, for instance.

Horace

Great post, Klaus.

Jolly

@Horace said in The Crime:

Great post, Klaus.

I agree.

Larry

@Horace said in The Crime:

Great post, Klaus.

Yes it was.

Copper

Yes

This might represent hope

Rainman

Good post by Klaus, I agree.

Except the close schools part. That is such a hot potato issue.
Without something even close to clarity in internal policies, it will be nothing but political, with administrators ducking for cover while politicians test the woke winds and their individual abilities to survive.

Aqua Letifer

@Axtremus said in The Crime:

In this thread, the younger folks are the cautious ones while the older ones seem more keen to roll the dice with public health.

My parents are more or less completely throwing caution to the wind. They're taking almost no precautions whatsoever.

They also put up with career bullshit the likes of which I still couldn't fully understand if I tried, and their goal is to by God enjoy their retirement.

That's their right, and I never guilt them about that choice. I just FaceTime with them once a week and ask them to stay safe and don't trust the assholes out there.

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