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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    @89th beat me to the punch. Can I have my bosses reclassify my commissions as tips?

    @Horace is right, too. The cost of the student loans stuff is way higher.

    The Brad

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
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      #11

      Bonuses are paid out to people who do a good job, just like tips. They're on top of the salary, so they're taxed up the ass. I want my money back now, Ted, rather it being used to pay your family vacations during hurricane season.

      I was only joking

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      • 89th8 89th

        Why introduce the bill now? It's a vote grab and one Trump could run on if Cruz doesn't watch it get shot-down early? It also will create chaos, imagine how many businesses will shift to a tips-only model? It also makes no sense... income is income.

        And yes, @Doctor-Phibes your analysis is right. Someone else always pays for it.

        HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        @89th said in Cruz files bill...:

        imagine how many businesses will shift to a tips-only model?

        I don't think there is such a thing as a tips-only model, unless the tip is mandatory to procure a product or service, which makes it not a tip, at least as defined by this law, presumably.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          Bonuses are paid out to people who do a good job, just like tips. They're on top of the salary, so they're taxed up the ass. I want my money back now, Ted, rather it being used to pay your family vacations during hurricane season.

          Aqua LetiferA Offline
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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #13

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Cruz files bill...:

          Bonuses are paid out to people who do a good job, just like tips.

          Okay, Rockefeller. 😄

          Please love yourself.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            All these considerations can be addressed in any legislation. The details are beside the point, which is that buying votes with taxpayer money is becoming the norm. Very bad.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on last edited by
              #15

              Want to buy some votes? Stop taxing Social Security…

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #16

                And increase FICA by .25%

                The Brad

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                • X Offline
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                  xenon
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  Wasn't the republican's thing supposed to be getting the tax code to fit on a post card?

                  D and R policy is becoming indistinguishable. All about which vibes you like.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    All these considerations can be addressed in any legislation. The details are beside the point, which is that buying votes with taxpayer money is becoming the norm. Very bad.

                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    @Mik said in Cruz files bill...:

                    The details are beside the point, which is that buying votes with taxpayer money is becoming the norm.

                    Historically, they have pandered more to campaign donors. Now they've broadened this to include normal people. Where will it end?

                    I was only joking

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Want to buy some votes? Stop taxing Social Security…

                      MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Cruz files bill...:

                      Want to buy some votes? Stop taxing Social Security…

                      I could get behind that.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Cruz files bill...:

                        Want to buy some votes? Stop taxing Social Security…

                        I could get behind that.

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #20

                        @Mik said in Cruz files bill...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Cruz files bill...:

                        Want to buy some votes? Stop taxing Social Security…

                        I could get behind that.

                        Don't tell me, Mexico will pay.

                        I was only joking

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #21

                          Y'all realize we're mostly talking about people who pay little tax?

                          And the silliness about corporate bonuses being labeled as tips is SAF.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Y'all realize we're mostly talking about people who pay little tax?

                            And the silliness about corporate bonuses being labeled as tips is SAF.

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #22

                            @Jolly said in Cruz files bill...:

                            Y'all realize we're mostly talking about people who pay little tax?

                            And the silliness about corporate bonuses being labeled as tips is SAF.

                            Yeah, these type of things never create loopholes that get abused!

                            The Brad

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Mik said in Cruz files bill...:

                              The details are beside the point, which is that buying votes with taxpayer money is becoming the norm.

                              Historically, they have pandered more to campaign donors. Now they've broadened this to include normal people. Where will it end?

                              MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #23

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Cruz files bill...:

                              @Mik said in Cruz files bill...:

                              The details are beside the point, which is that buying votes with taxpayer money is becoming the norm.

                              Historically, they have pandered more to campaign donors. Now they've broadened this to include normal people. Where will it end?

                              It won't as long as it's successful. It's very smart on his part. Now if he'd go for the no taxing Social Security regardless. Our RMD means 85% of our SS will be taxable. Tax on our taxes.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Y'all realize we're mostly talking about people who pay little tax?

                                And the silliness about corporate bonuses being labeled as tips is SAF.

                                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                #24

                                @Jolly said in Cruz files bill...:

                                Y'all realize we're mostly talking about people who pay little tax?

                                So, it's a meaningless policy?

                                And the silliness about corporate bonuses being labeled as tips is SAF.

                                I didn't say it was a tip, I said I got it for doing a good job, which is why Ted said he didn't want it taxed.

                                Of course, the only tip Ted Cruz has ever had was a funny orange colour.

                                I was only joking

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #25

                                  Not completely meaningless. I admire people who work, sometimes for little money.

                                  Every little bit extra take-home helps...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Not completely meaningless. I admire people who work, sometimes for little money.

                                    Every little bit extra take-home helps...

                                    AxtremusA Offline
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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #26

                                    @Jolly said in Cruz files bill...:

                                    Not completely meaningless. I admire people who work, sometimes for little money.

                                    Every little bit extra take-home helps...

                                    Say, you're the same guy who also wants every one who makes money from work, not matter how little, to pay "income tax" (as opposed to paying only payroll taxes), right?

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #27

                                      Yep.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Yep.

                                        AxtremusA Offline
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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #28

                                        @Jolly said in Cruz files bill...:

                                        Yep.

                                        Didn’t think “every little bit helps” back then, did you?

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                                          Axtremus
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                                          #29

                                          Also, h/t @wtg :

                                          Illinois politicians are rejoicing.

                                          ‘The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a federal anti-bribery law does not make it a crime for state and local officials to accept a gratuity for acts that they have already taken. Writing for a six-justice majority, Justice Brett Kavanaugh explained that state and local governments already regulate gifts to officials, and so the federal law “does not supplement those state and local rules by subjecting 19 million state and local officials to up to 10 years in federal prison for accepting even commonplace gratuities.” ‘

                                          https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scope-of-anti-bribery-law/

                                          “Gratuities” is just another word for “tips” … no tax for “gratuities” for politicians too, right? 😉

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