The Ten Commandments Required
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 02:12 last edited by
We do have fun down here.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 03:11 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
We do have fun down here.
The unConstitutional sort, no less.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 03:12 last edited by
The Ten Commandments are pretty uncontroversial, if you take them as they are.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 03:41 last edited by
The no god before Me is kinda controversial…
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 03:48 last edited by
Pretty uncontroversial, you say ...
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
That goes against the First Amendment (freedom of expression).
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
That also goes against the First Amendment (freedom of expression).
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 05:08 last edited by
That triggers you so badly it incapacitates you and keeps you from learning? A wall poster?
Ya got any bigger fish to fry?
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The no god before Me is kinda controversial…
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 05:09 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Ten Commandments Required:
The no god before Me is kinda controversial…
Whose God? Look at it in a broader context...
Allah? Buddah? Yahweh?
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 10:10 last edited by
I would hope the 5th circuit strikes it and Louisiana would know better than to appeal, and if they do cert won’t be granted
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 11:42 last edited by
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Jesus
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 12:06 last edited by
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 20:44 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 21:14 last edited by
Regarding western societies he's not wrong.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 21:29 last edited by Mik
Nah. Just spitballing.
"The top of the stele features an image in relief of Hammurabi with Shamash, the Babylonian sun god and god of justice. Below the relief are about 4,130 lines of cuneiform text: one fifth contains a prologue and epilogue in poetic style, while the remaining four fifths contain what are generally called the laws."
Kind of long for a classroom poster.
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@Mik did you watch the whole thing? Look behind Landry.
Also, I think Hammurabi predates Moses.
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 21:30 last edited by@George-K said in The Ten Commandments Required:
Look behind Landry.
Gasp! It’s a sign!
Why must the children pay for … well … whatever they’re doing? -
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 21:57 last edited by@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
I can't be bothered to be that outraged over Louisiana's shenanigans in part because of what Shapiro outlined.
Like, okay, they'll take it down, but I'm not too outraged over their putting them up.
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@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
I can't be bothered to be that outraged over Louisiana's shenanigans in part because of what Shapiro outlined.
Like, okay, they'll take it down, but I'm not too outraged over their putting them up.
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 22:11 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds
right
democrat religiophobes, if it was up to them we would have no history at all.
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@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
I can't be bothered to be that outraged over Louisiana's shenanigans in part because of what Shapiro outlined.
Like, okay, they'll take it down, but I'm not too outraged over their putting them up.
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 22:17 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ten Commandments Required:
@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
I can't be bothered to be that outraged over Louisiana's shenanigans in part because of what Shapiro outlined.
Like, okay, they'll take it down, but I'm not too outraged over their putting them up.
I get that and generally agree, and might go farther than Shapiro. We aren’t in a post-shame society, we are actively embracing those things that should cause shame.
But this isn’t the solution. The problem here is that you are empowering those that push towards either extreme. Louisiana is a fairly conservative state, New Orleans and Baton Rouge not withstanding… The Governor and the legislature know this isn’t going to stand but it also doesn’t really affect them politically, so no big deal right? Eh, not so much. Now you have swing states and swing voters in PA, NC, MI, etc… that might have leaned one way becoming disenchanted or even reverse their position. It could have a very large effect nationally. Take the abortion issue. The bans in Alabama might be very successful there, but it cost the opportunity to gain Virginia. Ultimately, it’s a net loss of you are pro-life…
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ten Commandments Required:
@Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:
I've had a bit of fun with this one, as I agree it will not stand.
But did anybody catch Shapiro's podcast on guilty vs. shame societies? In short, his argument was that societal behavior was heavily influenced by one or the other. Japan would be an example of a shame society, where the individual confirms to desired behavior out of concern that his neighbors and associates would shame him for bad behavior.
More religious countries, such as the U.S. used to be, use religious teachings as a way to generate guilt over actions that the individual knows to be wrong. Those teachings also give an individual positive feelings when he believes he is doing the right thing.
Shapiro contended we are now morphing into a post-shame society, where guilt plays little part in individual lives and shame is rapidly losing any effectiveness. The inevitable result is a non-functioning society.
Therefore, while I agree the Ten Commandments posters will come down, I'm not sure exposure to a few basic rules for society is entirely bad for young minds of mush.
I can't be bothered to be that outraged over Louisiana's shenanigans in part because of what Shapiro outlined.
Like, okay, they'll take it down, but I'm not too outraged over their putting them up.
I get that and generally agree, and might go farther than Shapiro. We aren’t in a post-shame society, we are actively embracing those things that should cause shame.
But this isn’t the solution. The problem here is that you are empowering those that push towards either extreme. Louisiana is a fairly conservative state, New Orleans and Baton Rouge not withstanding… The Governor and the legislature know this isn’t going to stand but it also doesn’t really affect them politically, so no big deal right? Eh, not so much. Now you have swing states and swing voters in PA, NC, MI, etc… that might have leaned one way becoming disenchanted or even reverse their position. It could have a very large effect nationally. Take the abortion issue. The bans in Alabama might be very successful there, but it cost the opportunity to gain Virginia. Ultimately, it’s a net loss of you are pro-life…
wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 22:43 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Ten Commandments Required:
It could have a very large effect nationally.
Compared to having an addled woke puppet and a narcissistic megalomaniac as the only viable options in an election whose outcome will almost certainly cause further mayhem, I don't think it's going to have much of an effect at all nationally.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2024, 22:54 last edited by
I don’t see how it could help but improve however marginally.