The Karen Read Murder Trial
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By the way, is it possible to "butt-dial" a smartphone?
That's one of the excuses given by the "witnesses" to explain how phone calls were made.
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
By the way, is it possible to "butt-dial" a smartphone?
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
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@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
By the way, is it possible to "butt-dial" a smartphone?
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.
@George-K Have you followed on the sage with “turtle boy” Aiden Kearney? Blogger covering the case, and subsequently indicted on charges of witness intimidation based on his twitter posts about the case.
This whole thing is so over the top crooked, it’s feels like a bad movie.
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@George-K Have you followed on the sage with “turtle boy” Aiden Kearney? Blogger covering the case, and subsequently indicted on charges of witness intimidation based on his twitter posts about the case.
This whole thing is so over the top crooked, it’s feels like a bad movie.
@Rich only peripherally.
I know that Kearney ("Turtleboy") was prevented from being in the courtroom when certain
conspiratorswitnesses were there, but I wasn't aware that he had been indicted.This is just a crazy crazy case.
We are now 15 days into the trail (3 weeks) and it STILL has not been alleged how the cop was killed.
No medical examiner, no expert witnesses...nothign.
Best summary I've read of what might have happened.
The McAlberts (Brian and Chris Albert - homeowner of "after-party" location, and Jennifer McCabe - sister) probably knocked John O'Keefe (dead cop) unconscious after a brawl, realized that he may be comatose from the blunt-force trauma to his head, so, instead of trying to save his life, they dragged and dumped his LIVING body outside the house on the front lawn, while he still breathing, shortly after that they Googled: "hos long to die in the cold" to gather intel as to how much time needs to elapse for John to stop breathing from hypothermia. They spent the night getting everyone's story straight in anticipation of the cops. It's possible that the McAlberts were so mellow and even-keeled because they were all exhausted and were severely lacking in sleep, plus they were all hyper-stressed due to having to deal with a death on their hands.
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Unbelievable stuff today.
The friend of the brother of the guy whose house this occurred at testified. On the chart, his name is Higgins.
The amazing things
- coincidentally he deleted and destroyed his cellphone the day before an order to maintain the phone was delivered.
- coincidentally his buddy, Brian Albert, deleted HIS cellphone the exact same day, the day before the order to protect was delivered.
- he "butt dialed" Brian at 2 AM. Although he sleeps with his phone on a nightstand.
- he spent 5 hours at the police station doing "administrative work the next day, when he was not on duty
- he was at the station when the defendants car was delivered (after another cop - Proctor - was in possession of it for 90 unaccounted-for minutes)
- surveillance video at the station of the car's delivery is ... missing
- he contacted his friend an FBI agent to help him delete selected texts and messages from his phone (using Federal resources - it was done in the ATF building - for personal purposes is a felony)
And all this shit is coming out under cross examination by the defense. We are still in the Commonwealth's stage of the trial. Defense has yet to call a witness. Commonwealth has called about 45 so far.
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dow = Department of Public Works
Kelleher is cop living across the street
Library footage would have shown defendant's care being delivered to police station sally port
Colin has a history of violence and fighting
Victim was found wearing only one shoe, and no belt (video of victim at a bar shows a belt)
Just amazing stuff.
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This is all a bit close to home. I saw she was from Mansfield, so I Googled her address. I used to cycle past her house every few weeks - not just close, but right past it.
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@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I'm watching this trial live as it happens. Truly fascinating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_John_O'Keefe
Basically, Karen Read, girlfriend of a Canton MA cop is accused of killing him by backing her car into him after a fight, breaking the tail light on her Lexus SUV.
He wanted to attend a late night party at another cop's house, and she didn't. Words were exchanged, and she left. She goes home. Drunkeness and cops behaving badly ensue at the house. Read's boyfriend's body is found on the front lawn of the house.
Read awakens, finds boyfriend not at home. Returns to scene where she allegedly says "I hit him!"
Defense says it's all a cover-up and she's framed.
Problems
- you can't break a tail light by hitting a person, unless it's at speed.
- Nest cam at Reads apartment show her backing up and touching another car - at the exact same spot where Commonwealth claims she hit bf.
- autopsy photos show mutiple scratch - bite marks on arm and defensive wounds on hand
- homeowner of site deleted all data and reset his phone ONE DAY before being issued an order to protect the phone.
Much much more that's shady. We're now 2 weeks into the trial, and the defense STILL hasn't put their case up, and the Commonwealth STILL hasn't provided evidence of how the bf died, expert witnesses, etc.
Totally into this case.
Autopsy photos - does this look like a car hit the cop?
***autopsy pics, blood and gore***
click to showThat's not blunt tauma from a car.
@Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
That's not blunt tauma from a car.
CW brought in their forensics expert who showed pictures of many things. Among them was the jacket that O'Keefe was wearing. Multiple punctures and hols on the right sleeve. Here is is, next to a photo of his arm injuries.
Here's a closeup of the holes - this is from being hit by a car?
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Doesnt look good. I dont think I have to be an expert witness to tell that did not come from a car.
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Doesnt look good. I dont think I have to be an expert witness to tell that did not come from a car.
@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Doesnt look good.
This trial is a total disaster. The CW (Commonwealth) told the Court that their part of the case would take about 5-6 weeks, and the defense said 2-3.
Today is day 20 of court, but we are in the 6th week - court is not every day. The CW prosecutor is the worst, most disorganized lawyer I've eve seen. He was called over 55 witnesses, so far, and asked them dozens, hundreds, of irrelevant questions. He asked what they drank at the bar before the "after-party," what they were wearing. He asked every first-responder and other cop about their training, experience, etc.
This testimony was, after 19 days of trial the FIRST time we saw forensics, or any other professional testimony, other than the dog DNA expert.
So, here we are - with nothing, yet, to prove their case.
Meanwhile, the defense just said that they're going to need 3-4 days for their part of the trial. They've done such a great job of asking question in cross-examination of these witnesses that they've provided more than a little reaasonable doubt.
More from yesterday.
It's alleged that Read backed her Lexus SUV into O'Keefe, killing him. She supposedly hit him in the right - rear portion of the car, shattering her taillight lens. Much video of her car after being impounded which could prove the taillight was intact has gone missing. After the car was towed to the police station, surveillance video of the garage goes blank for 42 minutes.
And then there's this. The CW showed a photo of a piece of the right-rear taillight lens.
Shattered into, I believe 47, pieces. HEre's the largest one.
Now, here's a photo that shows an intact Lexus SUV taillight lens.
Look at the two indentations and tell me which one is consistent with the evidence.
It's possible that the evidence photo is taken from the other side of the lens (the inside of it). I really want to believe that, because believing that the cops are that stupid would be worse.
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To be honest, I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
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To be honest, I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
If I lived in Canton, MA (which I did at one time), I'd be sorely tempted to put up a sign with 'Defund the Police' on my front lawn.
Never mind their alleged dishonesty, but the apparent stupidity and incompetence almost beggars belief.
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There was no blood found on the car.
One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."
"t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."
Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?
Then, there's the magical hair.
Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.
This photo was taken in the police station garage.
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
In a snowstorm, in Boston.
Sticky hair, eh?
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There was no blood found on the car.
One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."
"t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."
Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?
Then, there's the magical hair.
Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.
This photo was taken in the police station garage.
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
In a snowstorm, in Boston.
Sticky hair, eh?
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
I was off. It was driven from 34 Fairview, to DIghton, and then back to Canton. In the snow.
