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  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #36

    An actual conspiracy!

    I was only joking

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      #37

      It’s not obvious that the ballroom, if it existed, would have been used. The White House doesn’t host this. The president just goes.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #38

        I saw an interesting tidbit - the shooter never even got to the same floor as the president was on. He was stopped at the security checkpoint. So I’m not sure the people saying ‘security failed’ have a point.

        Also it sort of dampens some of the silly conspiracy theories. Surely if you staged this you’d let the ‘shooter’ enter the room before being caught.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          An actual conspiracy!

          jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #39

          @Doctor-Phibes said:

          An actual conspiracy!

          That’s the OP’s theory.

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #40

            Wasn't it @jolly who complained that he thought that the democrats were doing this same thing?

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              Manifesto from Shooter. Sent out about 10 minutes before the attempted shooting.

              Hello everyone!

              I might have surprised many of you today. Let me begin by expressing my apologies to those whose trust I betrayed.

              I apologize to my parents for misleading them about having an interview, without disclosing it was for the “Most Wanted” list.

              I also extend my apologies to my colleagues and students for falsely claiming a personal emergency (by the time anyone reads this, I will likely indeed require a visit to the ER, a situation I acknowledge as self-inflicted).

              I apologize to all of the people I traveled next to, all the workers who handled my luggage, and all the other non-targeted people at the hotel who I put in danger simply by being near.

              I apologize to everyone who was abused and/or murdered before this, to all those who suffered before I was able to attempt this, to all who may still suffer after, regardless of my success or failure.

              I don’t expect forgiveness, but if I could have seen any other way to get this close, I would have taken it. Again, my sincere apologies.

              On to why I did any of this:

              I am a citizen of the United States of America.

              What my representatives do reflects on me.

              And I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

              (Well, to be completely honest, I was no longer willing a long time ago, but this is the first real opportunity I’ve had to do something about it.)
              US-Iran relations

              While I’m discussing this, I’ll also go over my expected rules of engagement (probably in a terrible format, but I’m not military so too bad.)

              Administration officials (not including Mr. Patel): they are targets, prioritized from highest-ranking to lowest

              Secret Service: they are targets only if necessary, and to be incapacitated non-lethally if possible (aka, I hope they’re wearing body armor because center mass with shotguns messes up people who aren’t

              Hotel Security: not targets if at all possible (aka unless they shoot at me)

              Capitol Police: same as Hotel Security

              National Guard: same as Hotel Security

              Hotel Employees: not targets at all

              Guests: not targets at all

              In order to minimize casualties I will also be using buckshot rather than slugs (less penetration through walls)

              I would still go through most everyone here to get to the targets if it were absolutely necessary (on the basis that most people chose to attend a speech by a pedophile, rapist, and traitor, and are thus complicit) but I really hope it doesn’t come to that.

              Rebuttals to objections:

              Objection 1: As a Christian, you should turn the other cheek.

              Rebuttal: Turning the other cheek is for when you yourself are oppressed. I’m not the person raped in a detention camp. I’m not the fisherman executed without trial. I’m not a schoolkid blown up or a child starved or a teenage girl abused by the many criminals in this administration.

              Turning the other cheek when someone else is oppressed is not Christian behavior; it is complicity in the oppressor’s crimes.

              Objection 2: This is not a convenient time for you to do this.

              Rebuttal: I need whoever thinks this way to take a couple minutes and realize that the world isn’t about them. Do you think that when I see someone raped or murdered or abused, I should walk on by because it would be “inconvenient” for people who aren’t the victim?

              This was the best timing and chance of success I could come up with.

              Objection 3: You didn’t get them all.

              Rebuttal: Gotta start somewhere.

              Objection 4: As a half-black, half-white person, you shouldn’t be the one doing this.

              Rebuttal: I don’t see anyone else picking up the slack

              Objection 5: Yield unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

              Rebuttal: The United States of America are ruled by the law, not by any one or several people. In so far as representatives and judges do not follow the law, no one is required to yield them anything so unlawfully ordered.

              I would also like to extend my appreciation to a great many people since I will not be likely to be able to talk with them again (unless the Secret Service is astoundingly incompetent.)

              Thank you to my family, both personal and church, for your love over these 31 years.

              Thank you to my friends, for your companionship over many years.

              Thank you to my colleagues over many jobs, for your positivity and professionalism.

              Thank you to my students for your enthusiasm and love of learning.

              Thank you to the many acquaintances I’ve met, in person and online, for short interactions and long-term relationships, for your perspectives and inspiration.

              Thank you all for everything.

              Sincerely,

              Cole “coldForce” “Friendly Federal Assassin” Allen

              PS: Ok now that all the sappy stuff is done, what the hell is the Secret Service doing? Sorry, gonna rant a bit here and drop the formal tone.

              Like, I expected security cameras at every bend, bugged hotel rooms, armed agents every 10 feet, metal detectors out the wazoo.

              What I got (who knows, maybe they’re pranking me!) is nothing.

              No damn security.

              Not in transport.

              Not in the hotel.

              Not in the event.

              Like, the one thing that I immediately noticed walking into the hotel is the sense of arrogance.

              I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.

              The security at the event is all outside, focused on protestors and current arrivals, because apparently no one thought about what happens if someone checks in the day before.

              Like, this level of incompetence is insane, and I very sincerely hope it’s corrected by the time this country gets actually competent leadership again.

              Like, if I was an Iranian agent, instead of an American citizen, I could have brought a damn Ma Deuce in here and no one would have noticed shit.

              Actually insane.

              Oh and if anyone is curious is how doing something like feels: it’s awful. I want to throw up; I want to cry for all the things I wanted to do and never will, for all the people whose trust this betrays; I experience rage thinking about everything this administration has done.

              Can’t really recommend it! Stay in school, kids.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                Way too well written for an insanity plea.

                Guys like him should write two of these - one for if he lives that makes him sound totally insane, and then a real one for if he dies.

                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  #43

                  What a strange and twisted rationalisation to commit an act of infamy.

                  Don’t care what anyone says, but this guy does not have both his oars in the water.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Tom-K
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                    #44

                    Hugely damning of security for the President and the event. It makes you think that if he had some backup he could have done some real damage.

                    I wonder why he was OK with Kash Patel?

                    And that's not "anti-Christian" rhetoric as reported in the press. The guy is saying he IS a Christian and killing an oppressor is the kind of thing a Christian should do.

                    Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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                    • HoraceH Online
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                      That’ll resonate deeply with maybe a third of Americans. 95% of bluesky.

                      I missed the dialectic about precedent and escalation in tribal politics. I guess he didn’t think that far.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Online
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                        It is remarkable he was taken down without getting shot.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • Tom-KT Tom-K

                          Hugely damning of security for the President and the event. It makes you think that if he had some backup he could have done some real damage.

                          I wonder why he was OK with Kash Patel?

                          And that's not "anti-Christian" rhetoric as reported in the press. The guy is saying he IS a Christian and killing an oppressor is the kind of thing a Christian should do.

                          jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #47

                          @Tom-K said:

                          Hugely damning of security for the President and the event.

                          Yes and no. He was caught and apprehended at the security checkpoint a floor away from the president. You can hardly expect them to apprehend people before they even get to the security perimeter.

                          One can argue that they should have had a security perimeter outside the hotel but that would have probably required closing the hotel to other guests and events. And maybe that’s the right answer? Who knows.

                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            It is remarkable he was taken down without getting shot.

                            jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Horace said:

                            It is remarkable he was taken down without getting shot.

                            Yeah. One gets the feeling their preference is to shoot. Perhaps there were just too many people near him and an agent happened to be behind him and could intervene physically relatively safely.

                            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                            • HoraceH Online
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                              And I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

                              Sign of the times when a tribalist attempts to assassinate a person as vulnerable to legit criticism as Trump, and their list of reasons includes nothing actually legitimate. Man is our political culture broken.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Broken for sure.

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                                  I find the shooter's strategy to run really fast through the first security checkpoint intriguing. He made it through, although I think about 50 feet later was tackled or something. Imagine if it comes out his name is Leeroy Jenkins?

                                  I didn't read his manifesto, I try never to give the shooters any oxygen (name, face, manifesto...). Clearly I'm having an impact.

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                                  • HoraceH Online
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                                    It seems simply true that a larger group of well armed people could have succeeded where the lone gunman failed. Could have checked in the day before armed to the teeth, and could have neutralized the handful of SS agents with overwhelming force.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      I find the shooter's strategy to run really fast through the first security checkpoint intriguing. He made it through, although I think about 50 feet later was tackled or something. Imagine if it comes out his name is Leeroy Jenkins?

                                      I didn't read his manifesto, I try never to give the shooters any oxygen (name, face, manifesto...). Clearly I'm having an impact.

                                      HoraceH Online
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                                      @89th said:

                                      I find the shooter's strategy to run really fast through the first security checkpoint intriguing. He made it through, although I think about 50 feet later was tackled or something. Imagine if it comes out his name is Leeroy Jenkins?

                                      I didn't read his manifesto, I try never to give the shooters any oxygen (name, face, manifesto...). Clearly I'm having an impact.

                                      He isn't crazy. I can understand dismissing the ravings of a crazy person, but this manifesto was informative on a number of levels.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        It seems simply true that a larger group of well armed people could have succeeded where the lone gunman failed. Could have checked in the day before armed to the teeth, and could have neutralized the handful of SS agents with overwhelming force.

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                                        89th
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                                        @Horace said:

                                        It seems simply true that a larger group of well armed people could have succeeded where the lone gunman failed. Could have checked in the day before armed to the teeth, and could have neutralized the handful of SS agents with overwhelming force.

                                        True. I bet if a van pulled up and a dozen guys wearing armor and using machine guns, they probably could've had one or two make it to the main stage. Who knows.

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