I love it when he takes me literally

[jon-nyc]

@Horace Absolve Trump from blame if you want, but the causal connection is the point. A Trump presidency brings more wokeness, not less.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in I love it when he takes me literally:

A Trump presidency brings more wokeness, not less.

Do you think he causes the wokeness or the people who can't stand him (you know, there are some) get outraged by just about anything?

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@89th said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@George-K said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@taiwan_girl said in I love it when he takes me literally:

as President Biden is, he has his handlers to keep him inside the guardrails. I dont think that President Trump has that.

That might be a fair assessment. Might.

But, whom do we elect? A man or unknown handlers?

Really the question is, do you elect Trump (possibly a convicted criminal by then) or essentially Kamala, who Biden will hand the controls to in 2025 or 2026.

Honestly, keep Biden. He's a known quantity, as is Kamala, and it would make 2028 a heck of a lot easier for DeSantis to win. And with the economy still in question, I don't think that's something Kamala will be able to run on.

1. Judges. Do you want eight years of Biden judges? They'll be here long after Biden is gone...Especially on SCOTUS. Vote Biden!
2. Like the Woke Agenda? Vote Biden!
3. Like the current transmania? Vote Biden!
4. Like taxes? Vote Biden!
5. Like the current political weaponization of the Just-us Department? Vote Biden!
6. Like the Equity Agenda? Vote Biden!
7. Like millions of illegals, including terrorists, pouring unchecked across our Southern Border? Vote Biden!
8. You like inflation? Vote Biden!
9. You love POTUS characterizing half the country as freedom-hating monsters? Vote Biden!
10. Want a weak president that will encourage Russia, Iran and Northe Korea in further adventures? Vote Biden!

In fairness, #s 2,3,6, and 8 apply equally or even more so to Trump.

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@Jolly said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@89th said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@George-K said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@taiwan_girl said in I love it when he takes me literally:

as President Biden is, he has his handlers to keep him inside the guardrails. I dont think that President Trump has that.

That might be a fair assessment. Might.

But, whom do we elect? A man or unknown handlers?

Really the question is, do you elect Trump (possibly a convicted criminal by then) or essentially Kamala, who Biden will hand the controls to in 2025 or 2026.

Honestly, keep Biden. He's a known quantity, as is Kamala, and it would make 2028 a heck of a lot easier for DeSantis to win. And with the economy still in question, I don't think that's something Kamala will be able to run on.

1. Judges. Do you want eight years of Biden judges? They'll be here long after Biden is gone...Especially on SCOTUS. Vote Biden!
2. Like the Woke Agenda? Vote Biden!
3. Like the current transmania? Vote Biden!
4. Like taxes? Vote Biden!
5. Like the current political weaponization of the Just-us Department? Vote Biden!
6. Like the Equity Agenda? Vote Biden!
7. Like millions of illegals, including terrorists, pouring unchecked across our Southern Border? Vote Biden!
8. You like inflation? Vote Biden!
9. You love POTUS characterizing half the country as freedom-hating monsters? Vote Biden!
10. Want a weak president that will encourage Russia, Iran and Northe Korea in further adventures? Vote Biden!

In fairness, #s 2,3,6, and 8 apply equally or even more so to Trump.

Some Trump justices overturned the affirmative action stuff. How does that fit into your point about 2 or 6?

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@Horace Absolve Trump from blame if you want, but the causal connection is the point. A Trump presidency brings more wokeness, not less.

I was more indicating that a choice of verbal framing will lead one to a causality of one's own choosing.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@Jolly

2. Like the woke agenda? Vote Biden Trump.

Wokeness exploded under Trump and has receded under Biden. If Trump is elected look for another big wave of wokeness from major institutions. Obviously not because Trump wants it but because he provokes it. He’s gasoline for the woke fire.

That’s like blaming the wife for the husband hitting her.

[jon-nyc]

Except again, no blame happened in my post.

Causal connections don’t per se contain moral valences.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@Jolly said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@89th said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@George-K said in I love it when he takes me literally:

@taiwan_girl said in I love it when he takes me literally:

as President Biden is, he has his handlers to keep him inside the guardrails. I dont think that President Trump has that.

That might be a fair assessment. Might.

But, whom do we elect? A man or unknown handlers?

Really the question is, do you elect Trump (possibly a convicted criminal by then) or essentially Kamala, who Biden will hand the controls to in 2025 or 2026.

Honestly, keep Biden. He's a known quantity, as is Kamala, and it would make 2028 a heck of a lot easier for DeSantis to win. And with the economy still in question, I don't think that's something Kamala will be able to run on.

1. Judges. Do you want eight years of Biden judges? They'll be here long after Biden is gone...Especially on SCOTUS. Vote Biden!
2. Like the Woke Agenda? Vote Biden!
3. Like the current transmania? Vote Biden!
4. Like taxes? Vote Biden!
5. Like the current political weaponization of the Just-us Department? Vote Biden!
6. Like the Equity Agenda? Vote Biden!
7. Like millions of illegals, including terrorists, pouring unchecked across our Southern Border? Vote Biden!
8. You like inflation? Vote Biden!
9. You love POTUS characterizing half the country as freedom-hating monsters? Vote Biden!
10. Want a weak president that will encourage Russia, Iran and Northe Korea in further adventures? Vote Biden!

In fairness, #s 2,3,6, and 8 apply equally or even more so to Trump.

You forgot 5, 9, and 10.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in I love it when he takes me literally:

Except again, no blame happened in my post.

Causal connections don’t per se contain moral valences.

One can hand wave causal connections all day. It is of little value, and indicates mostly the pet peeves of the person making the connections. Amidst that rhetorical chaos, the supreme court picks seem dispositive of the both-sides-are-equalizing in points 2, 3, and 6.

[jon-nyc]

Jolly brought up the casual connection, indeed a list of 10 of them. I just corrected it.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in I love it when he takes me literally:

Jolly brought up the casual connection, indeed a list of 10 of them. I just corrected it.

In a way that ignores the strongest argument anybody has made in this thread, which is mine, about how dumb it is to consider 2, 3, and 6 incorrect, in the wake of what Trump's and Biden's SCOTUS justices have actually done.