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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #31

      It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

      Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

      The Brad

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      • MikM Offline
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        I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?

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          Axtremus
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          @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

          I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out.

          Yeap, Ohio’s ballot access rules are well known to the Democratic Party well ahead of time. It’s their own fault for not planning accordingly.

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          • MikM Offline
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            There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

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              @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

              There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

              Also, considering the actions of Maine and (?) Arizona to keep Trump off the ballot, I would think the GOP majority in Ohio are not inclined to play nice.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

                Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

                Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

                I think that may be true, but what about any other candidate? Even if they pull a convention switcheroo, a name still won't be submitted by the deadline.

                Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  #37

                  Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                  Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                  Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                    Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                    Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

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                    @George-K said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                    Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                    Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                    Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

                    Slim and None. And Slim just left town

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      Yeah, but it kills their down ballot.

                      This isn’t rocket science. Put Biden and Harris on the ballot in Ohio. If the Dems somehow won Ohio, then have the electors vote for whoever comes from the convention.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Mik

                        There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

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                        Axtremus
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                        @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                        There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, …

                        Bad precedences, then.

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                          Resolved.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/us/democrats-biden-ohio-ballot.html

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            By the way, to their credit Alabama legislature unanimously fixed their similar issue.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              bypassing a glitch in Ohio law

                              "Glitch?" Really NYT. Try harder.

                              Just wait until some asshat files suit saying that the convention is the venue where the nomination occurs and this should not be considered a valid nomination.

                              Democrats also staged a remote vote on Mr. Biden’s nomination in 2020, during the Covid-19 pandemic.

                              Was that the actual nomination or was it a "roll call" which the Democrats are proposing as a solution?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                It's okay, the nominee won't be Biden.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  The governor does not seem to think this is resolved and has asked for a legislative fix as in past years. I haven’t read anywhere that the state accepts the Dems plan.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    #46

                                    He’ll lose. SCOTUS has been pretty adamant about states putting additional requirements on presidential candidates that aren’t in the constitution.

                                    Ohio can set a date, but they can’t insist on an in-person nominating convention.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      Technically, they don’t even need to do the roll call. All they really need is for the Democratic Party of Ohio to turn in Biden’s name 90 days before the election. That’s it. They could do it now. So why the rigamarole with the roll call?

                                      The Brad

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        Actually, there's probably no reason the Democrats couldn't just say "Biden's our nominee." I assume there's no legislation that could prevent them from doing that.

                                        Their party, their rules.

                                        Taking an extreme example, if they changed the rules (by whatever process that would be) to say, "Whoever is the choice of Delegates #1, #1232, and #8827 is the nominee of the party" that would be legal.

                                        Stupid, but legal.

                                        Ohio should have no say as to how the Democrats decide who their nominee is. The only requirement is that their nomination is consistent with existing law.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Now, what happens if they put Biden and Whitmer on the ballot, then during the convention Biden steps aside for Whitmer? Whitmer’s name is still on the ballot…

                                          The Brad

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