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Not on the ballot in Ohio?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #37

    Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

    Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

    Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

      Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

      Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

      JollyJ Offline
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      #38

      @George-K said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

      Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

      Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

      Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

      Slim and None. And Slim just left town

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        #39

        Yeah, but it kills their down ballot.

        This isn’t rocket science. Put Biden and Harris on the ballot in Ohio. If the Dems somehow won Ohio, then have the electors vote for whoever comes from the convention.

        The Brad

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        • MikM Mik

          There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

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          #40

          @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

          There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, …

          Bad precedences, then.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #41

            Resolved.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/us/democrats-biden-ohio-ballot.html

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              #42

              By the way, to their credit Alabama legislature unanimously fixed their similar issue.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #43

                bypassing a glitch in Ohio law

                "Glitch?" Really NYT. Try harder.

                Just wait until some asshat files suit saying that the convention is the venue where the nomination occurs and this should not be considered a valid nomination.

                Democrats also staged a remote vote on Mr. Biden’s nomination in 2020, during the Covid-19 pandemic.

                Was that the actual nomination or was it a "roll call" which the Democrats are proposing as a solution?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #44

                  It's okay, the nominee won't be Biden.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Away
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                    #45

                    The governor does not seem to think this is resolved and has asked for a legislative fix as in past years. I haven’t read anywhere that the state accepts the Dems plan.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      #46

                      He’ll lose. SCOTUS has been pretty adamant about states putting additional requirements on presidential candidates that aren’t in the constitution.

                      Ohio can set a date, but they can’t insist on an in-person nominating convention.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        #47

                        Technically, they don’t even need to do the roll call. All they really need is for the Democratic Party of Ohio to turn in Biden’s name 90 days before the election. That’s it. They could do it now. So why the rigamarole with the roll call?

                        The Brad

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          Actually, there's probably no reason the Democrats couldn't just say "Biden's our nominee." I assume there's no legislation that could prevent them from doing that.

                          Their party, their rules.

                          Taking an extreme example, if they changed the rules (by whatever process that would be) to say, "Whoever is the choice of Delegates #1, #1232, and #8827 is the nominee of the party" that would be legal.

                          Stupid, but legal.

                          Ohio should have no say as to how the Democrats decide who their nominee is. The only requirement is that their nomination is consistent with existing law.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            #49

                            Now, what happens if they put Biden and Whitmer on the ballot, then during the convention Biden steps aside for Whitmer? Whitmer’s name is still on the ballot…

                            The Brad

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                              #50

                              I would imagine it would be Biden on the ballot still.

                              But the democrats would likely recruit delegates that would ‘go rogue’ and vote for Whitman in the electoral college.

                              Which, incidentally, was a ‘plan B’ I mentioned here for Trump’s ME and CO issues that I never really heard discussed elsewhere.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                It's okay, the nominee won't be Biden.

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                                @Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                                It's okay, the nominee won't be Biden.

                                I think you are right, but what is the status to change and how soon do they have to do so before the actual elections to make sure that the new person on the ballot?

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                                  I don’t buy any of this ‘it won’t be Biden’ stuff, even though I’d welcome it.

                                  But to your question, except for Ohio, they can choose anyone in the convention.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #53

                                    But what if after the ocnvention?

                                    I would not be surprised bout President Biden. There was an article the other day in one of the "mainstream" papers about how the Democrat are really really really worried about Biden and the election being won.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #54

                                      Honestly I’m not sure what the technicalities would be. For example, if one of the candidates dies in October.

                                      There would be two separate questions. What the party process would be to choose a successor, (though surely the VP would be the lead by far) and then getting Biden or Trump electors to agree, since the ballots wouldn’t be changed at that late date.

                                      One complication is that some states have laws that require electors to cast their vote for the person who won the popular vote in their state. IOW, some could be forced to vote for a dead guy.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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