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Not on the ballot in Ohio?

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    I think it still starts with education, especially among the poor and even the middle class. I think the inner city school systems are FUBAR for the most part. And it sounds harsh, but I think in particular, certain segments of the poor are genetically fucked.

    On average, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

    But that doesn't apply to all. I propose a two-fer...We use the allotted public school monies per child, to allow that inner city or poor rural child with ability to attend a boarding school. I want the school to encourage students to excel - academically and morally - and I want those kids to have a chance to advance their education or training upon graduation from the twelfth grade. Maybe that entails some college courses taught in high school, so a bachelor's doesn't take as long. Maybe it entails apprenticeship training while still in high school. And I want the schools to teach life skills along with academics...Financial management, entrepreneurship, civic responsibility and rights.

    Once these kids graduate high school, there has to be a mechanism to ensure their further education and training. Maybe we help the brightest to complete their college education through scholarships. Maybe we help fund internships. Maybe we give scholarships to votech programs. Maybe we provide low-interest loans for small business start-ups. Maybe we provide benefits for public or military service.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Ohio hangs tough...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-gop-leaders-reject-democrats-plan-to-get-president-joe-biden-on-november-ballot/ar-BB1lKBXS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=c7b11bbfb79e429ca1f70192d56ae46c&ei=54

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Offline
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        I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Ohio hangs tough...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-gop-leaders-reject-democrats-plan-to-get-president-joe-biden-on-november-ballot/ar-BB1lKBXS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=c7b11bbfb79e429ca1f70192d56ae46c&ei=54

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          @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

          Ohio hangs tough...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-gop-leaders-reject-democrats-plan-to-get-president-joe-biden-on-november-ballot/ar-BB1lKBXS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=c7b11bbfb79e429ca1f70192d56ae46c&ei=54

          This will, assuredly, go to SCOTUS.

          The difference between this and the attempts to bar Trump from being on the ballot is that Ohio's refusal is based on state law, rather than supposed, unproven, unprotected allegations.

          Can Will SCOTUS force Ohio to change its law or grant a waiver?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Mik

            I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

            JollyJ Offline
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            @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

            I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

            I am, however, reminded of the old adage, don't start no shit and won't be no shit started.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

              I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

              I am, however, reminded of the old adage, don't start no shit and won't be no shit started.

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              @Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

              I am, however, reminded of the old adage, don't start no shit and won't be no shit started.

              Harry Reid looks down up and winks.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                #28

                Weird thread drift here.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #29

                  First time it's ever happened. 😄

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    George K
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

                      Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?

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                          @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                          I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out.

                          Yeap, Ohio’s ballot access rules are well known to the Democratic Party well ahead of time. It’s their own fault for not planning accordingly.

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                            There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

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                              George K
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                              @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                              There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

                              Also, considering the actions of Maine and (?) Arizona to keep Trump off the ballot, I would think the GOP majority in Ohio are not inclined to play nice.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

                                Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                                It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…

                                Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…

                                I think that may be true, but what about any other candidate? Even if they pull a convention switcheroo, a name still won't be submitted by the deadline.

                                Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  George K
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                                  Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                                  Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                                  Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                                    Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                                    Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

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                                    @George-K said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                                    Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley: "Lawfare - it's a beautiful thing."

                                    Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?

                                    Yeah, what are the odds that POTATUS could carry Ohio?

                                    Slim and None. And Slim just left town

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Yeah, but it kills their down ballot.

                                      This isn’t rocket science. Put Biden and Harris on the ballot in Ohio. If the Dems somehow won Ohio, then have the electors vote for whoever comes from the convention.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.

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                                        @Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:

                                        There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, …

                                        Bad precedences, then.

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                                          Resolved.

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/us/democrats-biden-ohio-ballot.html

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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