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  • J Jolly
    20 Aug 2024, 03:24

    Deflection.

    I stand by my statement.

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 14:57 last edited by
    #131

    @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

    Deflection.

    I stand by my statement.

    I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

    Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

    I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

    I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

    Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

    VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
    President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

    The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

    J 1 Reply Last reply 20 Aug 2024, 16:05
    • T taiwan_girl
      20 Aug 2024, 14:57

      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

      Deflection.

      I stand by my statement.

      I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

      Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

      I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

      I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

      Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

      VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
      President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

      The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 16:05 last edited by
      #132

      @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

      Deflection.

      I stand by my statement.

      I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

      Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

      I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

      I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

      Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

      VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
      President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

      The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

      I'll give you one.

      Perception. It's all you need.

      Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

      T 1 Reply Last reply 24 Aug 2024, 01:41
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        Jolly
        wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 22:44 last edited by Jolly
        #133

        Now, let's talk perception... Let's look at what middle-class people buy and how
        middle-class people live, in the time period of Biden's presidency...Starting a little after he was elected.

        Riffing off the top of my head ...

        Used cars are up about a third, groceries are up a bit shy of 30%, houses are up around 50%. Home mortgages have gone from around 4% to darn near 7%.

        Now, I'm sure salaries have gone up, maybe even in real terms. But the guy on the street doesn't look at it that way. And I promise you, the average person doesn't give a tinker's damn about charts or statistics.

        The Dems have two areas of strength in this election, Never-Trumpers and abortion.

        Perhaps those can overcome the perception that three out of every five Americans think we're in a recession.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • J jon-nyc
          16 Aug 2024, 19:17

          Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 23:29 last edited by
          #134

          @jon-nyc said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

          Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

          Fortunately, she didn’t.

          WOW, that Kamala is a powerful advocate for abortion, no?

          The Brad

          J 1 Reply Last reply 20 Aug 2024, 23:46
          • L LuFins Dad
            20 Aug 2024, 23:29

            @jon-nyc said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

            Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

            Fortunately, she didn’t.

            WOW, that Kamala is a powerful advocate for abortion, no?

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            Jolly
            wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 23:46 last edited by
            #135

            @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

            @jon-nyc said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

            Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

            Fortunately, she didn’t.

            WOW, that Kamala is a powerful advocate for abortion, no?

            Well, if you put it in that way...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              20 Aug 2024, 16:05

              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

              Deflection.

              I stand by my statement.

              I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

              Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

              I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

              I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

              Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

              VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
              President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

              The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

              I'll give you one.

              Perception. It's all you need.

              Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 24 Aug 2024, 01:41 last edited by
              #136

              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

              Deflection.

              I stand by my statement.

              I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

              Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

              I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

              I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

              Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

              VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
              President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

              The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

              I'll give you one.

              Perception. It's all you need.

              Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

              I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

              https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

              But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

              And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

              I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

              J 1 Reply Last reply 24 Aug 2024, 03:14
              • T taiwan_girl
                24 Aug 2024, 01:41

                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                Deflection.

                I stand by my statement.

                I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

                Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

                I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

                I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

                Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

                VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
                President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

                The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

                I'll give you one.

                Perception. It's all you need.

                Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

                I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

                https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

                But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

                And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

                I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

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                Jolly
                wrote on 24 Aug 2024, 03:14 last edited by Jolly
                #137

                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                Deflection.

                I stand by my statement.

                I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

                Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

                I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

                I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

                Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

                VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
                President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

                The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

                I'll give you one.

                Perception. It's all you need.

                Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

                I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

                https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

                But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

                And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

                I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

                I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                Right now, the Dems are rerunning the basement strategy, trying to craft the perception that Kamala is a young, fresh, dynamic leader. They are aided and abetted by a fawning media, creating >90% favorable coverage, while simultaneously broadcasting >90% negative coverage for her opponent.

                She has almost no policy positions, and the Dems are trying to stack votes, particularly through their harvesting mail-in ballots and ground game, to drag her across the finish line before her deficiencies are well known.

                They are trying desperately to craft the public's perception of a person once ranked to the Left of Bernie Sanders and morph her into a competent moderate.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                G T 2 Replies Last reply 24 Aug 2024, 12:06
                • J Jolly
                  24 Aug 2024, 03:14

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                  Deflection.

                  I stand by my statement.

                  I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

                  Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

                  I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

                  I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

                  Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

                  VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
                  President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

                  The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

                  I'll give you one.

                  Perception. It's all you need.

                  Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

                  I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

                  https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

                  But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

                  And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

                  I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

                  I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                  Right now, the Dems are rerunning the basement strategy, trying to craft the perception that Kamala is a young, fresh, dynamic leader. They are aided and abetted by a fawning media, creating >90% favorable coverage, while simultaneously broadcasting >90% negative coverage for her opponent.

                  She has almost no policy positions, and the Dems are trying to stack votes, particularly through their harvesting mail-in ballots and ground game, to drag her across the finish line before her deficiencies are well known.

                  They are trying desperately to craft the public's perception of a person once ranked to the Left of Bernie Sanders and morph her into a competent moderate.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 24 Aug 2024, 12:06 last edited by
                  #138

                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                  She has explained almost no policy positions,

                  FIFY. I doubt she has none.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 24 Aug 2024, 12:29 last edited by
                    #139

                    One more for TG...

                    Link to video

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • J Jolly
                      24 Aug 2024, 03:14

                      @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                      @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                      Deflection.

                      I stand by my statement.

                      I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

                      Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

                      I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

                      I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

                      Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

                      VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
                      President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

                      The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

                      I'll give you one.

                      Perception. It's all you need.

                      Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

                      I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

                      https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

                      But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

                      And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

                      I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

                      I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                      Right now, the Dems are rerunning the basement strategy, trying to craft the perception that Kamala is a young, fresh, dynamic leader. They are aided and abetted by a fawning media, creating >90% favorable coverage, while simultaneously broadcasting >90% negative coverage for her opponent.

                      She has almost no policy positions, and the Dems are trying to stack votes, particularly through their harvesting mail-in ballots and ground game, to drag her across the finish line before her deficiencies are well known.

                      They are trying desperately to craft the public's perception of a person once ranked to the Left of Bernie Sanders and morph her into a competent moderate.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 25 Aug 2024, 14:01 last edited by
                      #140

                      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                      I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                      Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                      Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                      J 1 Reply Last reply 25 Aug 2024, 14:42
                      • T taiwan_girl
                        25 Aug 2024, 14:01

                        @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                        I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                        Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                        Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 25 Aug 2024, 14:42 last edited by
                        #141

                        @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                        @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                        I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                        Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                        Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                        Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        T 1 Reply Last reply 25 Aug 2024, 14:55
                        • J Jolly
                          25 Aug 2024, 14:42

                          @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                          @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                          I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                          Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                          Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                          Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 25 Aug 2024, 14:55 last edited by
                          #142

                          @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                          @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                          @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                          I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                          Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                          Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                          Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                          Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                          J 1 Reply Last reply 25 Aug 2024, 14:57
                          • T taiwan_girl
                            25 Aug 2024, 14:55

                            @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                            Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                            Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                            Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                            Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                            I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                            Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                            Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                            Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                            Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                            You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              25 Aug 2024, 14:57

                              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                              Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                              Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                              Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                              Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                              You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

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                              wrote on 25 Aug 2024, 15:00 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                              I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                              Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                              Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                              Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                              Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                              You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                              Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

                              I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

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                                25 Aug 2024, 15:00

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                                Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                                Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                                Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                                Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                                You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                                Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

                                I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

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                                wrote on 25 Aug 2024, 15:06 last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                                Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                                Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                                Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                                Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                                You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                                Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

                                I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

                                Do you think those numbers will be there?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  25 Aug 2024, 15:06

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                                  Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                                  Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                                  Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                                  Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                                  You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                                  Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

                                  I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

                                  Do you think those numbers will be there?

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                                  wrote on 27 Aug 2024, 00:51 last edited by
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                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                  I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

                                  Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

                                  Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

                                  Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

                                  Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

                                  You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

                                  Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

                                  I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

                                  Do you think those numbers will be there?

                                  Yes I do.

                                  Inflation data here. I don't see the US inflation going up in the next three months and will probably go down.

                                  https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

                                  Unemployment here. I don't see that having much change either.

                                  https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

                                  GDP growth here. Don't think the #3 quarter will be much different from #1 and #2 quarter of 2024

                                  https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gross-domestic-product

                                  So, assuming that is the case, what are the ideal numbers in your mind and how will President Trump achieve them?

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                                    wrote on 27 Aug 2024, 01:23 last edited by
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                                    I don't think in terms of charts, to be honest. I think in terms of how I live and what I can afford.

                                    Case in point... I was building pickups online yesterday. Not that I really need on, my old 2011 is running pretty good, but I thought I would check. Base F-150 XL, 2WD with a Coyote V8. A single cab is $4OK. A double cab is $46K.

                                    That's about as spartan as they come. Go to a higher trim level and you're going to come in at $60K. Go to a 4WD King Ranch in a 3/4 ton diesel and you can tear up $100K by the time you pay tax.

                                    But back to that single cab work truck...If you're making $25/hr and you need a new truck for your one-horse business, how do afford it and buy groceries?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      27 Aug 2024, 01:23

                                      I don't think in terms of charts, to be honest. I think in terms of how I live and what I can afford.

                                      Case in point... I was building pickups online yesterday. Not that I really need on, my old 2011 is running pretty good, but I thought I would check. Base F-150 XL, 2WD with a Coyote V8. A single cab is $4OK. A double cab is $46K.

                                      That's about as spartan as they come. Go to a higher trim level and you're going to come in at $60K. Go to a 4WD King Ranch in a 3/4 ton diesel and you can tear up $100K by the time you pay tax.

                                      But back to that single cab work truck...If you're making $25/hr and you need a new truck for your one-horse business, how do afford it and buy groceries?

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                                      @Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

                                      I don't think in terms of charts, to be honest. I think in terms of how I live and what I can afford.

                                      Case in point... I was building pickups online yesterday. Not that I really need on, my old 2011 is running pretty good, but I thought I would check. Base F-150 XL, 2WD with a Coyote V8. A single cab is $4OK. A double cab is $46K.

                                      That's about as spartan as they come. Go to a higher trim level and you're going to come in at $60K. Go to a 4WD King Ranch in a 3/4 ton diesel and you can tear up $100K by the time you pay tax.

                                      But back to that single cab work truck...If you're making $25/hr and you need a new truck for your one-horse business, how do afford it and buy groceries?

                                      So what can (or will) president Trump do to make the truck affordable?

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                                        wrote on 27 Aug 2024, 01:54 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                        Abso-fucking-lutley nothing. On the contary he’ll put tariffs on foreign sourced parts and make it more expensive.

                                        But he resents the right people, so he’ll get 70MM votes.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          wrote on 27 Aug 2024, 03:38 last edited by
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                                          What will Trump do?

                                          First, he'll quit dangling the Green money in front of the automakers. Secondly, I think he is going to be aggressive in promoting domestic vehicle manufacturing over imports. Third, I believe he'll probably ease some of the ridiculous Fed standards for fleet fuel efficiency. Part of what makes pickups so expensive, are the unnecessary gadgets they are saddled with, such as twin turbos, AFM, Stop/Start, 10-speed automatics, GDI, etc.

                                          BTW, Trump got over 74M votes in 2020. I think he'll top 80M in 2024.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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