Trump Sells $59.99 Bible

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Deflection.

I stand by my statement.

I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Deflection.

I stand by my statement.

I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

I'll give you one.

Perception. It's all you need.

Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

[Jolly]

Now, let's talk perception... Let's look at what middle-class people buy and how
middle-class people live, in the time period of Biden's presidency...Starting a little after he was elected.

Riffing off the top of my head ...

Used cars are up about a third, groceries are up a bit shy of 30%, houses are up around 50%. Home mortgages have gone from around 4% to darn near 7%.

Now, I'm sure salaries have gone up, maybe even in real terms. But the guy on the street doesn't look at it that way. And I promise you, the average person doesn't give a tinker's damn about charts or statistics.

The Dems have two areas of strength in this election, Never-Trumpers and abortion.

Perhaps those can overcome the perception that three out of every five Americans think we're in a recession.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

Fortunately, she didn’t.

WOW, that Kamala is a powerful advocate for abortion, no?

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@jon-nyc said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Imagine if it was Harris who had 5 kids with three different men.

Fortunately, she didn’t.

WOW, that Kamala is a powerful advocate for abortion, no?

Well, if you put it in that way...

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Deflection.

I stand by my statement.

I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

I'll give you one.

Perception. It's all you need.

Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

Deflection.

I stand by my statement.

I had a back and forth with Larry, who never was willing to answer so I will ask you the same question

Come up with 5 indicators about the US (for example: GDP growth, inflation, stock market returns, crime statistics, school performance, trade deficit/surplus, patents per capita, border crossings, unemployment, jail population, church attendance, etc etc etc (whatever you can think of)).

I challenge you to find 5 that can be measured and are consistently either good or bad when the president is Republic or Democrat. Let's limit it to the last 75 years.

I am not a gamble person, but I am willing to bet that (generic) you will not be able to find 5. There may be 1 out there, but I seriously seriously doubt five.

Does the President make a difference? OF COURSE. But to say that the US will end if (TRUMP or HARRIS) is elected is overblow.

VP Harris can talk all she wants about forcing grocery stores to lower prices. Not going to happen.
President Trump can talk all he wants about eliminating inflation. Not going to happen.

The US has enough checks and balances that the goofiest of the campaign "promises" made by the candidates fortunately never happen.

I'll give you one.

Perception. It's all you need.

Public perception determines who gets elected, who gets defeated and how a president is remembered.

I don't disagree. As I said in a post a couple of years ago (at least I am consistent!! 555)

https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/17486/inflation-s-not-so-bad/49?_=1724463001136

But to get back to my previous question. Can anybody here name five measurable things (GDP, inflation, growth, etc etc) that consistently do better under a Republic (or Democrat) president? I don't think so.

And another question, LOL. For those of you favoring President Trump including because of the economy, what are your expectations if he is elected?

I think that at the end of November, inflation will be <3%, unemployment <4%, growth ~2.5 - 3%, stock market up 50% during President Biden (50% under President Trump also). So, what to do think the numbers would be under a President Trump at the end of 2025? Do you really think that there will be a significant change from what we have now?

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Right now, the Dems are rerunning the basement strategy, trying to craft the perception that Kamala is a young, fresh, dynamic leader. They are aided and abetted by a fawning media, creating >90% favorable coverage, while simultaneously broadcasting >90% negative coverage for her opponent.

She has almost no policy positions, and the Dems are trying to stack votes, particularly through their harvesting mail-in ballots and ground game, to drag her across the finish line before her deficiencies are well known.

They are trying desperately to craft the public's perception of a person once ranked to the Left of Bernie Sanders and morph her into a competent moderate.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

She has explained almost no policy positions,

FIFY. I doubt she has none.

[Jolly]

One more for TG...

Link to video

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

Do you think those numbers will be there?

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I didn't need five. You don't need five. You only need one. Elections turn on perception.

Mostly agree. That just reinforces my thoughts/statements that it doesn't make sense to say that the sky is falling if Harris or Trump is elected. The sky won't fall.

Mentally, people may feel better if their preferred candidate wins (i.e. the cheerleader effect), but looking at overall measurable data, but in the "big picture" there is not a cliff that will happen to society.

Cliffs do not occur in a moment. There is always a road that leads to a cliff. You don't want somebody building the wrong road.

Like quadrupling the money supply in 2020? LOL

You mean like Biden running up the U.S. debt to equal the entire money supply of the world?

Exactly. Just reinforces my point. Neither side is the savior and neither side is the devil.

I will ask this question again. Come November, inflation is <3%, unemployment is ~4%, GPD growth is about 2.5 % etc. What are the ideal numbers and how will President Trump achieve them?

Do you think those numbers will be there?

Yes I do.

Inflation data here. I don't see the US inflation going up in the next three months and will probably go down.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

Unemployment here. I don't see that having much change either.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

GDP growth here. Don't think the #3 quarter will be much different from #1 and #2 quarter of 2024

https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gross-domestic-product

So, assuming that is the case, what are the ideal numbers in your mind and how will President Trump achieve them?

[Jolly]

I don't think in terms of charts, to be honest. I think in terms of how I live and what I can afford.

Case in point... I was building pickups online yesterday. Not that I really need on, my old 2011 is running pretty good, but I thought I would check. Base F-150 XL, 2WD with a Coyote V8. A single cab is $4OK. A double cab is $46K.

That's about as spartan as they come. Go to a higher trim level and you're going to come in at $60K. Go to a 4WD King Ranch in a 3/4 ton diesel and you can tear up $100K by the time you pay tax.

But back to that single cab work truck...If you're making $25/hr and you need a new truck for your one-horse business, how do afford it and buy groceries?

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump Sells $59.99 Bible:

I don't think in terms of charts, to be honest. I think in terms of how I live and what I can afford.

Case in point... I was building pickups online yesterday. Not that I really need on, my old 2011 is running pretty good, but I thought I would check. Base F-150 XL, 2WD with a Coyote V8. A single cab is $4OK. A double cab is $46K.

That's about as spartan as they come. Go to a higher trim level and you're going to come in at $60K. Go to a 4WD King Ranch in a 3/4 ton diesel and you can tear up $100K by the time you pay tax.

But back to that single cab work truck...If you're making $25/hr and you need a new truck for your one-horse business, how do afford it and buy groceries?

So what can (or will) president Trump do to make the truck affordable?

[jon-nyc]

Abso-fucking-lutley nothing. On the contary he’ll put tariffs on foreign sourced parts and make it more expensive.

But he resents the right people, so he’ll get 70MM votes.

[Jolly]

What will Trump do?

First, he'll quit dangling the Green money in front of the automakers. Secondly, I think he is going to be aggressive in promoting domestic vehicle manufacturing over imports. Third, I believe he'll probably ease some of the ridiculous Fed standards for fleet fuel efficiency. Part of what makes pickups so expensive, are the unnecessary gadgets they are saddled with, such as twin turbos, AFM, Stop/Start, 10-speed automatics, GDI, etc.

BTW, Trump got over 74M votes in 2020. I think he'll top 80M in 2024.