Trump & Abortion
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So, would Trump's proposal require States to allow abortions at up to 16 weeks, or would it prevent States from allowing them at greater than 16? Or maybe both?
Because either of these will certainly make the most outspoken proponents of both sides of the debate very unhappy. Most of the rest of us will probably think it's ok.
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I would like to see if we could make both sides happy,” Trump said on “MediaBuzz” Sunday.
Wasn't it @Klaus that said the key to this situation is passing something that no one is happy with? LOL
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I would like to see if we could make both sides happy,” Trump said on “MediaBuzz” Sunday.
Wasn't it @Klaus that said the key to this situation is passing something that no one is happy with?
According to @George-K it is.
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Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
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The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
@George-K said in Trump & Abortion:
Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
No, Dobbs states that it MUST be legislated. If not at a Federal level, then at a state. A federal law would supersede a state law depending on how it was written.
If you set the standard at 16 weeks, I wonder how much that actually affects the actual number of abortions vs pre-Dobbs. The old standard was 24 weeks (viability), right?
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Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
@George-K said in Trump & Abortion:
Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
That was the point of my question. Is the Federal government going to require that States permit abortions even if they don't want to? Are they going to prevent other States from doing what they want?
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@George-K said in Trump & Abortion:
Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
That was the point of my question. Is the Federal government going to require that States permit abortions even if they don't want to? Are they going to prevent other States from doing what they want?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump & Abortion:
@George-K said in Trump & Abortion:
Post Dobbs, how does this work?
SCOTUS said that this is not a federal manner, if I understand correctly. Would a federal law supersede that?
That was the point of my question. Is the Federal government going to require that States permit abortions even if they don't want to? Are they going to prevent other States from doing what they want?
SCOTUS didn’t say this wasn’t necessarily a federal issue, they just said that without there being federal legislation then it must be a state issue.
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I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
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I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
Too simple. Most voters are a bit more nuanced than that.
Democrats have been whittling on what they want for years. Take a bite, wait, take a bite ...wash, rinse and continue.
The other side hasn't done that. Maybe it's starting to learn
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Nope. Cult.
Principled pro-lifers will stay that way.
They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
Too simple. Most voters are a bit more nuanced than that.
Democrats have been whittling on what they want for years. Take a bite, wait, take a bite ...wash, rinse and continue.
The other side hasn't done that. Maybe it's starting to learn
@Jolly said in Trump & Abortion:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
Too simple. Most voters are a bit more nuanced than that.
Democrats have been whittling on what they want for years. Take a bite, wait, take a bite ...wash, rinse and continue.
The other side hasn't done that. Maybe it's starting to learn
Hypothetic of course, but how do you think most President Trump supporters will respond if he supports a federal 16 week abortion schedule?
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@jon-nyc said in Trump & Abortion:
Nope. Cult.
Principled
atheistswill stay that way.IFIFY.
BTW, who would you rather have taking care of your aged mother? An atheist or Christian? In general terms, assuming a similar level of skills? A secular or Christian hospital?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Trump & Abortion:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
Too simple. Most voters are a bit more nuanced than that.
Democrats have been whittling on what they want for years. Take a bite, wait, take a bite ...wash, rinse and continue.
The other side hasn't done that. Maybe it's starting to learn
Hypothetic of course, but how do you think most President Trump supporters will respond if he supports a federal 16 week abortion schedule?
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
@Jolly said in Trump & Abortion:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Abortion:
I think this issue will prove the President Trump is more of a cult of personality than policy. If President Trump recommends a 16 week abortion schedule, it will be interesting to see how many of the people who are against abortion will nod their heads and say, "Yup, President Trump is correct to recommend this" even though it would allow (as @89th pointed out) about 95% of all current abortions.
Too simple. Most voters are a bit more nuanced than that.
Democrats have been whittling on what they want for years. Take a bite, wait, take a bite ...wash, rinse and continue.
The other side hasn't done that. Maybe it's starting to learn
Hypothetic of course, but how do you think most President Trump supporters will respond if he supports a federal 16 week abortion schedule?
I think most will see it for what it is.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump & Abortion:
Nope. Cult.
Principled
atheistswill stay that way.IFIFY.
BTW, who would you rather have taking care of your aged mother? An atheist or Christian? In general terms, assuming a similar level of skills? A secular or Christian hospital?
@Jolly said in Trump & Abortion:
@jon-nyc said in Trump & Abortion:
Nope. Cult.
Principled
atheistswill stay that way.IFIFY.
BTW, who would you rather have taking care of your aged mother? An atheist or Christian? In general terms, assuming a similar level of skills? A secular or Christian hospital?
I don't think that Christians (or Buddhists or Muslims or Zoroastrians or whoever) are generally more caring than other people.
Like the rest of the population, there are good and bad in each group. I went to a church and it was very difficult to get out of the parking lot - lots of cars cutting, etc. My friend says, "This seems to prove that Christianity ends in the parking lot". LOL
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I hope this doesn’t offend too many people, but IMO Nazis were less caring than other groups.
Education is extremely important.
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I hope this doesn’t offend too many people, but IMO Nazis were less caring than other groups.
@Horace said in Trump & Abortion:
I hope this doesn’t offend too many people, but IMO Nazis were less caring than other groups.
I see you are a student of history, like the late Norm McDonald.
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@Jolly said in Trump & Abortion:
@jon-nyc said in Trump & Abortion:
Nope. Cult.
Principled
atheistswill stay that way.IFIFY.
BTW, who would you rather have taking care of your aged mother? An atheist or Christian? In general terms, assuming a similar level of skills? A secular or Christian hospital?
I don't think that Christians (or Buddhists or Muslims or Zoroastrians or whoever) are generally more caring than other people.
Like the rest of the population, there are good and bad in each group. I went to a church and it was very difficult to get out of the parking lot - lots of cars cutting, etc. My friend says, "This seems to prove that Christianity ends in the parking lot". LOL
I don't think that Christians (or Buddhists or Muslims or Zoroastrians or whoever) are generally more caring than other people.
Strangely enough, I have also met many immensely caring and selflessly altruistic agnostics and non believers in not only the health care profession but in everyday life.
Some people might dispute my claim, but they would be very wrong about the world in which they live.
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I hope this doesn’t offend too many people, but IMO Nazis were less caring than other groups.
