"Just let 'em have it."

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

[Toronto Police: Just Let the Thieves Steal Your Car](https://www.thedrive.com/news/toronto-police-just-let-the-thieves-steal-your-car

The city of Toronto has a car theft problem, and it doesn't sound like police have much of a clue as to how to combat it. In a recent safety meeting, one officer even gave advice that basically boiled down to: If thieves come knocking to steal your car, just let 'em have it.

As reported by blogTO, Toronto Police Service Constable Marco Ricciardi said, "To prevent the possibility of being attacked in your home, leave your [key] fobs at your front door because they're breaking into your home to steal your car. They don't want anything else."

On the one hand, I totally understand the very rational, self-preserving stance of not risking life or injury over what is, at the end of the day, an insured, inanimate object. It is, however, the sort of advice you'd expect from a well-meaning parent or spouse. Hearing it come out of the mouths of the very people whose taxpayer-funded, gun-toting job it is to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place, however, is arguably less OK and frankly kind of crazy.

Spoken or not, though, some Torontonians have evidently taken the advice to heart like one person who—after having their vehicle broken into three times—opted to leave their car unlocked (along with a big, handwritten note indicating this) so that would-be thieves don't break the window again.

Others, however, have gone to opposite extremes to try and deter thieves. Profiled in a New York Times story on Toronto's car theft epidemic (the existence of which illustrates just how bad things have gotten), one Honda CR-V owner has installed two alarm systems, a tracking device, four (4) Apple AirTags, keeps the key fob in a signal-jamming Faraday bag, and has two motion-sensitive floodlights pointed at his modest suburban driveway. When parked, there are also parking boot-style wheel locks on every wheel, a steering wheel club, and even a bollard in the driveway to keep it from being driven away. All this just to park your own damn car in front of your own damn house.

Where there's a problem, though, there are those out there capitalizing on ways to solve it. Vehicle tracking devices are apparently doing real well, with Montreal-based Tag Tracking reportedly doubling sales over the past two years. There are now entire businesses dedicated to installing bollards at the ends of driveways—often small, suburban driveways that, in most other cities, would never have bollards.

Jolly

A claymore might be a nice option...

taiwan_girl

Need one of those James Bond cars with the anti-steal technology! LOL

Renauda

Actually what’s needed are politicians who will provide the Toronto and Ontario police with the material and judicial supports needed for them to enforce the law. At the federal level something must be done with the criminal activity and corruption within the Montreal Port Authority where the containerized stolen vehicles are loaded for shipment abroad.

Jolly

Oh, some Canadian pols think more law and order is needed...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/orwellian-canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/ar-BB1jTK5F

Renauda

@Jolly

All for it, although in case you didn’t know, this thread was actually about car thefts in the Greater Toronto Area not Bill C-63.

Didn’t read your link. Not interested in what the NY Post prints about any issue or topic pertaining to this country or outside the US. Slick American tabloid crap. But you already knew that.

Jolly

@Renauda said in "Just let 'em have it.":

@Jolly

All for it, although in case you didn’t know, this thread was actually about car thefts in the Greater Toronto Area not Bill C-63.

Didn’t read your link. Not interested in what the NY Post prints about any issue or topic pertaining to this country or outside the US. Slick American tabloid crap. But you already knew that.

Nah, just pointing out the progression of Canadian law. You can go fuck yourself for all I care. You are a bitter asshole and if you're not a drunk, start drinking. Heavily.

It might help your outlook on life.

Doctor Phibes

Without legal protection, how do we protect children from online abuse?

Because that's what C-63 is about, from my understanding.

https://www.techpolicy.press/an-overview-of-canadas-online-harms-act/

"The Bill targets seven kinds of harmful content, three of which are specific to children:

content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor,
content used to bully a child, and
content that induces a child to harm themselves.
The four other harms are:

intimate content communicated without consent,
content that foments hatred,
content that incites violent extremism or terrorism, and
content that incites violence."

I'm not sure I really understand the comparisons to Orwell.

Jolly

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Just let 'em have it.":

content that foments hatred,
content that incites violent extremism or terrorism, and
content that incites violence."

I think here is the crux of the concern...Who dictates what engenders hatred? Why do the penalties include imprisonment for life?

I think those are questions worthy of discussion.

Renauda

@Jolly said in "Just let 'em have it.":

@Renauda said in "Just let 'em have it.":

@Jolly

All for it, although in case you didn’t know, this thread was actually about car thefts in the Greater Toronto Area not Bill C-63.

Didn’t read your link. Not interested in what the NY Post prints about any issue or topic pertaining to this country or outside the US. Slick American tabloid crap. But you already knew that.

Nah, just pointing out the progression of Canadian law. You can go fuck yourself for all I care. You are a bitter asshole and if you're not a drunk, start drinking. Heavily.

It might help your outlook on life.

I regret to inform you, but articles in the NY Post and coffee and donut shop gossips like you, do not “point out” to me or anyone the progression of Canadian law. Ostensibly you know your real intent was something other than pointing out or simply informing. So stop trying make candy out of a turd.

If you wish to have a real conversation about bill C 63 then at least look at the facts and use credible source material as a basis for your discussion. Here are two fairly decent moderately conservative sources with which you can start:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-harmful-online-content

https://www.readtheline.ca/p/jen-gerson-this-briefing-did-not?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

So rather than constantly trying to evangelise your peculiar pseudo-conservative agenda on to others with folksy anecdotes, common gossip and sloppy thinking when called out, do some actual research beyond tabloid media and other dubious web sources, into topics; especially those that are unfolding beyond your borders.

When you start that we can then begin a rational conversation on pretty much anything. Until then I’ll continue to call out your gossip and hubristic bullshit as I see fit.

Jolly

You know, I'm too old to suffer obnoxious fools.

Have a nice life.

Renauda

Yes, I too have noted that you suffer from excessive and progressive codgerism. Beyond me how you can even live with yourself.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

People in San Francisco leave their cars unlocked so that there's no smashing of windows to steal what might be in them. Some even put a sign indicating that the trunk is unlocked...

Renauda

@George-K

There’s something to that. I recall a proverb of sorts, that states “locks only keep honest people from breaking in and stealing another’s property”.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@Renauda Mark Rober (the "Porch-Pirate Glitter Bomb Engineer") did an entire story about how he booby-trapped cars in San Francisco to get thieves.

Renauda

Booby traps for criminals. I like it. A friend of mine from Calgary worked in Yekaterinburg for four years in 1990’s and rented a second floor apartment with an open balcony. There was a problem with night break ins in the complex with burglars gaining access from the balconies. His solution was to go down to the local market and buy some glass insulators, bare heavy gauge wire and a male plug. He ran the wire along the top of metal balcony railing through the insulators and would plug into the 220 v / 5 amp AC outlet in the adjacent room. No burglars ever bothered him.