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  • 89th8 89th

    I remember when he lost to Obama in the 2012 primaries, and thinking “well, his next chance would be 2020 and he’d be way too old at that point.” Well...

    The debates are going to be gaffe city.

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    @89th said in Incoherent?:

    I remember when he lost to Obama in the 2012 primaries, and thinking “well, his next chance would be 2020 and he’d be way too old at that point.” Well...

    The debates are going to be gaffe city.

    Joe didn’t challenge Obama in 2012. Nobody did that I’m aware of.

    The Brad

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      And there was no reason to not expect Joe to run in 16.

      The Brad

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        People fall into one of two categories - leader or follower, detail orientated or visionary...
        Nothing wrong with either type, one just has to accept his shortcomings. The term "visionary" is not meant to imply some sort of superiority to a detail type, it's simple a word to describe someone who can see the long view.

        Detail people are really good at keeping things organized. The tend to pursue careers that allow them to focus in on tiny little details, such as computer programming, accounting, etc. Visionary types aren't very good at handling the minutia of the moment. They are much happier looking further down the road. It takes both types - a detail type will do great counting the money a business generates, but wouldn't have a clue how to build a business. A detail person will do great at writing a computer program, but wouldn't have a clue how to develop the idea for the program. Likewise, a visionary will do great at guiding a business into the future, but terrible at keeping track of all the little details that pop up by the minute.

        A smart visionary type will accept his limitations, and hire some detail types to handle the deatils. A good detail type will accept his limitations and find a visionary type to work for. Because without the vision there won't be any details to take care of, and without someone handling the details the vision never gets achieved. Things go haywire when a visionary type tries to be a detail type. Things go haywire when a detail type tries to be a visionary. One isn't superior to the other, one isn't more important than the other. Think of it like the differences in gender - it takes both men and women to make a baby. But you'll see problems when men try to be women or women try to be men.

        Trump is a visionary type. Other visionary types can see it and understand how he thinks. He makes sense to them. Detail types cannot understand "vision think". They expect every "I" dotted perfectly, everything kept all in neat little rows that they can chew on and obsess over in great detail. The problems come when the detail types look up from their navel and try to look out into the next day.

        TDS is most evident among detail types.

        So in keeping with who I am..... go back to staring at your navel and leave the thinking to those equipped for the task......

        😉

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          I am a computer programmer who is also a visionary leader.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            I am a computer programmer who is also a visionary leader.

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            @Horace said in Incoherent?:

            I am a computer programmer who is also a visionary leader.

            Which are you worst at?

            I was going to ask which are you best at, but thought that might be a tad presumptious.

            I was only joking

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @89th said in Incoherent?:

              I remember when he lost to Obama in the 2012 primaries, and thinking “well, his next chance would be 2020 and he’d be way too old at that point.” Well...

              The debates are going to be gaffe city.

              Joe didn’t challenge Obama in 2012. Nobody did that I’m aware of.

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              @LuFins-Dad said in Incoherent?:

              @89th said in Incoherent?:

              I remember when he lost to Obama in the 2012 primaries, and thinking “well, his next chance would be 2020 and he’d be way too old at that point.” Well...

              The debates are going to be gaffe city.

              Joe didn’t challenge Obama in 2012. Nobody did that I’m aware of.

              You are right, I meant 2008. Wow 12 years instead of eight, makes my point even more so!

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                My guess is Biden's been talked into this. I doubt he particularly wanted to run, but could see the hopelessness of the rest of the candidates. He's clearly passed his sell-by date.

                I was only joking

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                • LarryL Larry

                  This thread is a good example of TDS. The thread was started to discuss whether or not Joe Biden is coherent. Exactly 3 posts addressed the topic, then two more that were on topic but just intentional humor. Then TG completely ignores the topic and starts smearing Trump, and the next 16 posts are all about Trump.

                  Not only is Biden incoherent, so are you TDS sufferers.

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                  #32

                  @Larry said in Incoherent?:

                  This thread is a good example of TDS. The thread was started to discuss whether or not Joe Biden is coherent. Exactly 3 posts addressed the topic, then two more that were on topic but just intentional humor. Then TG completely ignores the topic and starts smearing Trump, and the next 16 posts are all about Trump.

                  Not only is Biden incoherent, so are you TDS sufferers.

                  Don't you understand? Trump is walking around in their minds, bereft of his usual shoes, having donned 12-league boots.😄😄

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Larry said in Incoherent?:

                    This thread is a good example of TDS. The thread was started to discuss whether or not Joe Biden is coherent. Exactly 3 posts addressed the topic, then two more that were on topic but just intentional humor. Then TG completely ignores the topic and starts smearing Trump, and the next 16 posts are all about Trump.

                    Not only is Biden incoherent, so are you TDS sufferers.

                    Don't you understand? Trump is walking around in their minds, bereft of his usual shoes, having donned 12-league boots.😄😄

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                    @Jolly Dream on, cher. 🙄

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @Jolly Dream on, cher. 🙄

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                      @Catseye3 said in Incoherent?:

                      @Jolly Dream on, cher. 🙄

                      I don't have to dream, just look at the posts. Shucks, look at your posts...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        I am a computer programmer who is also a visionary leader.

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                        @Horace said in Incoherent?:

                        I am a computer programmer who is also a visionary leader.

                        Me too. I can do, and have done, both the detailed implementation of various things and the visionary creation and leadership of organizations. But I seldom do both at the same time.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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