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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    News articles:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/japan/ukraine-born-carolina-shiino-miss-japan-b2484527.html
    https://nextshark.com/ukrainian-miss-japan-2024

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    Carolina Shiino ... became the first naturalized Japanese citizen to win the Miss Japan Grand Prix pageant.
    ...
    “I’ve had to face barriers that often prevent me from being accepted as Japanese, so I am filled with gratitude to be recognized at this competition as a Japanese person,” Shiino said on stage ...
    .
    Online skepticism: Despite declaring herself Japanese in “speech and mind,” her victory sparked skepticism on social media, with some questioning the choice of crowning someone who is not of Japanese descent.
    ...
    Judges’ defense: However, event organizers justified the selection of Shiino, highlighting that the judges were impressed by her “confidence.” Ai Wada, the pageant organizer, also emphasized that “Japanese beauty exists not in the appearance, not in the blood, but it exists firmly in our heart,” urging viewers to contemplate on the essence of Japanese beauty.
    “She speaks and writes in beautiful and polite Japanese,” Ai Wada added. “She is more Japanese than we are.”

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      89th
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      #2

      My first thought was, is she a dude? Sad we even have to think that these days.

      Also, I get the criticism. In what is clearly a politically incorrect and phobic opinion that I will immediately go to confession for... I have no problem with countries and cultures including how their citizens look as one aspect of their culture. Japanese women should look... japanese. Same with australia, england, france, mexico, etc. It's part of our inherent tribalism as human beings. But I am a dying breed, I suppose.

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        JWHT.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • 89th8 89th

          My first thought was, is she a dude? Sad we even have to think that these days.

          Also, I get the criticism. In what is clearly a politically incorrect and phobic opinion that I will immediately go to confession for... I have no problem with countries and cultures including how their citizens look as one aspect of their culture. Japanese women should look... japanese. Same with australia, england, france, mexico, etc. It's part of our inherent tribalism as human beings. But I am a dying breed, I suppose.

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          George K
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          @89th said in Miss Japan - 2024:

          My first thought was, is she a dude? Sad we even have to think that these days.

          Sigh, I thought the same thing.

          Also, I get the criticism. In what is clearly a politically incorrect and phobic opinion that I will immediately go to confession for... I have no problem with countries and cultures including how their citizens look as one aspect of their culture. Japanese women should look... japanese. Same with australia, england, france, mexico, etc. It's part of our inherent tribalism as human beings. But I am a dying breed, I suppose.

          If she "identifies" as Japanese, there should be no problem, amirite?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            I didn’t help that her talent show portion was her dancing to I Think I’m Turning Japanese

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            • 89th8 89th

              I didn’t help that her talent show portion was her dancing to I Think I’m Turning Japanese

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              @89th said in Miss Japan - 2024:

              I didn’t help that her talent show portion was her dancing to I Think I’m Turning Japanese

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              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                I thought being trans would be the only reason it would be posted, but I was off on that. So it must be cultural appropriation, right?

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  No longer Miss Japan

                  Karolina Shiino, the Ukraine-born winner of last month’s Miss Japan contest, has relinquished her title, the contest organizer said Monday, following a magazine report that she was having an affair with a married man.

                  https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/02/05/japan/society/miss-japan-karolina-shiino-resigns/

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    So, having an affair is a disqualifying transgression.

                    Not being Japanese is not.

                    Japanese are becoming as crazy as we are.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Friday
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                      A friend of mine entered a Miss Japanese contest once. The criteria then (90s) was that she, one of her parents, or one of her grandparents had to be born in Japan. She came in third.

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                      • George KG George K

                        So, having an affair is a disqualifying transgression.

                        Not being Japanese is not.

                        Japanese are becoming as crazy as we are.

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                        Axtremus
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                        @George-K said in Miss Japan - 2024:

                        Not being Japanese is not.

                        Japanese are becoming as crazy as we are.

                        Japanese by blood?
                        Japanese by citizenship?
                        Japanese by heritage?
                        Japanese by residency?
                        Japanese by character?
                        Japanese by lifestyle?
                        Japanese by state of mind?
                        Japanese by spirit?

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @George-K said in Miss Japan - 2024:

                          Not being Japanese is not.

                          Japanese are becoming as crazy as we are.

                          Japanese by blood?
                          Japanese by citizenship?
                          Japanese by heritage?
                          Japanese by residency?
                          Japanese by character?
                          Japanese by lifestyle?
                          Japanese by state of mind?
                          Japanese by spirit?

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                          @Axtremus said in Miss Japan - 2024:

                          @George-K said in Miss Japan - 2024:

                          Not being Japanese is not.

                          Japanese are becoming as crazy as we are.

                          Japanese by blood?
                          Japanese by citizenship?
                          Japanese by heritage?
                          Japanese by residency?
                          Japanese by character?
                          Japanese by lifestyle?
                          Japanese by state of mind?
                          Japanese by spirit?

                          Exactly.

                          rachel-dolezal-headshot-3623439983.jpg

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • F Friday

                            A friend of mine entered a Miss Japanese contest once. The criteria then (90s) was that she, one of her parents, or one of her grandparents had to be born in Japan. She came in third.

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                            @Friday said in Miss Japan - 2024:
                            The criteria then (90s) was that she, one of her parents, or one of her grandparents had to be born in Japan.

                            Back then you didn't have to specify being female, either.

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                              #14

                              What's the point of beauty contests? I've never understood them. Frequently, the women aren't particularly hot. I haven't seen one in years, but I remember in the old days they all used to be very skinny and tall, and the contest seemed to consist of a bunch of vaguely creepy people judging them, and then they all burst into tears as though it matters.

                              I was only joking

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                                https://soh.omeka.chass.ncsu.edu/exhibits/show/gwdsocial/pageant/1960s

                                Beauty pageants had their origin in photographic beauty contests that were publicized in newspapers in the 1850’s, and bathing beauty contests in the 1880’s.

                                https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/missamerica-beauty-pageant-origins-and-culture/

                                Origins of the Beauty Pageant
                                Contests to determine "who is the fairest of them all" have been around at least since ancient Greece and the Judgment of Paris. According to legend, a poor mortal goatherd, Alexandros (Paris), was called upon to settle a dispute among the goddesses. Who was the most beautiful: Hera (Juno), Aprhodite (Venus), or Athena (Minerva)? All three goddesses offered bribes: according to the writer Apollodorus, "Hera said that if she were preferred to all women, she would give him the kingdom over all men; and Athena promised victory in war, and Aphrodite the hand of Helen." When Paris selected Aphrodite in exchange for getting Helen of Troy, the most beautiful mortal of the time, he inadvertently started the Trojan War.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Is it Saudi Arabia where they have beauty contests for camels? And apparently somebody cheated by giving theirs Botox.

                                  That's one fucked up country. I mean - who honestly thinks a camel isn't perfect already and needs plastic surgery?

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Saudi Arabia beauty pageant.

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                                    And the winner is...... the lady in the black!!!

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @Friday said in Miss Japan - 2024:
                                      The criteria then (90s) was that she, one of her parents, or one of her grandparents had to be born in Japan.

                                      Back then you didn't have to specify being female, either.

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                                      @89th

                                      Oh yeah. I forgot that part.
                                      😁

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