2024 Election Predictions
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@jon-nyc said in 2024 Election Predictions:
“If it was 2013 — when did I stop being vice president?” he asked,
I don’t think that’s as big a deal as people are making it out to be. That happens to me all the time. I might ask out loud what year I moved to westchester or left credit Suisse or whatever.
I think you'd probably remember when you were Vice President of the United States, though.
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Every candidate of the past couple of decades other than the current 2, would win the upcoming election - Romney, Clinton, GWB, Gore, Obama. It's very disheartening to consider given the challenges the nation faces at this point in time. While Biden would get clobbered in a debate, both he and his nemesis have misplaced confidence in their cognitive abilities. I suspect Biden would relish the chance to lock horns with Trump.
@kluurs said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Every candidate of the past couple of decades other than the current 2, would win the upcoming election - Romney, Clinton, GWB, Gore, Obama. It's very disheartening to consider given the challenges the nation faces at this point in time. While Biden would get clobbered in a debate, both he and his nemesis have misplaced confidence in their cognitive abilities. I suspect Biden would relish the chance to lock horns with Trump.
I disagree.
Never forget, Trump is a movement, not a traditional candidate.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@kluurs said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Every candidate of the past couple of decades other than the current 2, would win the upcoming election - Romney, Clinton, GWB, Gore, Obama. It's very disheartening to consider given the challenges the nation faces at this point in time. While Biden would get clobbered in a debate, both he and his nemesis have misplaced confidence in their cognitive abilities. I suspect Biden would relish the chance to lock horns with Trump.
I disagree.
Never forget, Trump is a movement, not a traditional candidate.
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
I was only joking
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There are 2 large groups, those who like Mr. Trump and those who hate him and insult him.
There are a few that hang around the middle in a smaller group.
To me the insults are remarkable, they just never stop. He might deserve some of it, but the childish nature of it is curious. And the opposition rarely says they hate some policy or other, it is just childish insults.
I can't think of many other politicians who have been treated like this. AOC, Tiny Tim or Pat Paulsen maybe.
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@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
Sounds like the Teamsters Union.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
And big government!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
I think there might be more than a tad of wishful thinking in there.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
That’s my GOP too. I just think it has a better chance under the leadership of someone who doesn’t have a long slug slime trail of losing behind him. So many election losses, so many bankrupt companies. So many former employees now in jail or in court.
The GOP has such an opportunity this year to set a long term growth strategy. Wasted because of loyalty to a con man.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
Never forget, Trump is a movement
What are you going to do when he finally passes?
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
The GOP of 89th is shrinking and will eventually be mostly swallowed up.
The new GOP will include more Hispanics, more blacks and be more blue collar friendly. It will emphasize traditional values, equal opportunity but not equity, tax reform, jobs, and hopefully, more fiscal responsibility.
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
I disagree a bit. The movement is President Trump - without him, it will not continue I do not think.
So far, candidates that are like President Trump do not do very well in overall elections. They do well in the primaries, but not so good when exposed to a wider group of voters.
(Or course, there are exceptions, but those in in locations that would never vote for a Democrat.)
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What I really don't understand is why people actually think Trump gives a fuck about regular people. His history is entirely made up of him making it very clear that the only person he gives a fuck about is himself.
And suddenly, he's looking out for the little people. And America, obviously.
How fucking gullible do you have to be to believe this?
It's a movement, alright.
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@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
I disagree a bit. The movement is President Trump - without him, it will not continue I do not think.
So far, candidates that are like President Trump do not do very well in overall elections. They do well in the primaries, but not so good when exposed to a wider group of voters.
(Or course, there are exceptions, but those in in locations that would never vote for a Democrat.)
@taiwan_girl said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
I disagree a bit. The movement is President Trump - without him, it will not continue I do not think.
So far, candidates that are like President Trump do not do very well in overall elections. They do well in the primaries, but not so good when exposed to a wider group of voters.
(Or course, there are exceptions, but those in in locations that would never vote for a Democrat.)
The movement began with the Tea Party, before Trump ever entered the political arena. It has changed much of the GOP and will continue to do so.
When saying that it does not do well except in the primaries, it depends upon where you are at, what media sources you imbibe and how much you ignore the movement's influence on those candidates that are elected.
I go back to Bob Michaels. Th e GOP is not the same party.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly :
The movement began with the Tea Party, before Trump ever entered the political arena. It has changed much of the GOP and will continue to do so.
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I can’t wait for Donald Trump to become God Emperor. There will be no mercy for those of you who have ever spoken against him.
@Horace said in 2024 Election Predictions:
I can’t wait for Donald Trump to become God Emperor.
I think he's more Harkonnen than Atreides.
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@taiwan_girl said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly said in 2024 Election Predictions:
As I wrote, it's a movement. It transcends Trump. In fact, it already has.
I disagree a bit. The movement is President Trump - without him, it will not continue I do not think.
So far, candidates that are like President Trump do not do very well in overall elections. They do well in the primaries, but not so good when exposed to a wider group of voters.
(Or course, there are exceptions, but those in in locations that would never vote for a Democrat.)
The movement began with the Tea Party, before Trump ever entered the political arena. It has changed much of the GOP and will continue to do so.
When saying that it does not do well except in the primaries, it depends upon where you are at, what media sources you imbibe and how much you ignore the movement's influence on those candidates that are elected.
I go back to Bob Michaels. Th e GOP is not the same party.
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@Jolly :
The movement began with the Tea Party, before Trump ever entered the political arena. It has changed much of the GOP and will continue to do so.
@Axtremus said in 2024 Election Predictions:
@Jolly :
The movement began with the Tea Party, before Trump ever entered the political arena. It has changed much of the GOP and will continue to do so.
For NPR, not bad. As recently evident, the Murder Turtle does not have the political power he had just a few years ago. Things change slower in the Senate than in the House. But change, they are.
The problem with Republicans, is learning how to govern. Witness the problems the Freedom Caucus has caused during the last couple of years. Democrats are very good about uniting behind legislation, even if they have to hold their noses to vote for it...Pelosi, in particular, was known to be vicious in closed door meetings and enforcing compliance.
