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A bad year for Boeing.

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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @Jolly said in A bad year for Boeing.:

    The clipboards have almost ruined healthcare. I see they are now taking their "skills" to other industries.

    I've seen this elsewhere. The company I worked for in Canada was set up by a bunch of former GE engineers, and was then subjected to the invasion of the zombie bean-counters. I ended up being told what to do by a "project manager" who appeared to be struggling to grow a moustache never mind a business, and had absolutely no idea what was involved in what the R&D team was doing.

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    @Doctor-Phibes said in A bad year for Boeing.:

    bean-counters

    Wasn't it Lee Iacocca who coined the term? I remember reading his book back in the day.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Screenshot 2024-03-14 at 2.04.38 PM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Shucks, Robert McNamara lost a whole damn war...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Is this BS?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Who knows. She sounds sincere, but there's a part of me that thinks he would say that if he was thinking about suicide, too.

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              Today:

              https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/united-airlines-san-francisco-medford-oregon-panel/5230027/

              A United Airlines plane that departed Friday from San Francisco International Airport was missing an external panel when it landed at its destination in Medford, Oregon.

              United released the following statement:

              "This afternoon, United flight 433 landed safely at its scheduled destination at Rogue Valley International/Medford Airport. After the aircraft was parked at the gate, it was discovered to be missing an external panel. We’ll conduct a thorough examination of the plane and perform all the needed repairs before it returns to service. We’ll also conduct an investigation to better understand how this damage occurred."

              United said the Boeing 737-800 had 139 passengers onboard the plane, with six crew members. The plane also did not declare an emergency while en route to Medford "as there was no indication of the damage during the flight," United said.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Screenshot 2024-03-15 at 7.10.49 PM.png

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    @George-K said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                    Heard on NPR today that he had told people if he ended up dead it will not be a suicide.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @George-K said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                      Heard on NPR today that he had told people if he ended up dead it will not be a suicide.

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                      @Mik said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                      Heard on NPR today that he had told people if he ended up dead it will not be a suicide.

                      https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/29161/a-bad-year-for-boeing/42?_=1710588213076

                      Yeah, but, do you really think that Boeing would be going all Clinton Sopranos on this guy?

                      Also, what are the odds that there's no any surveillance camera video of a hotel parking lot? Of course it could have all just gone offline for an hour or so, though that (cough ... Epstein) never happens, right?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        The cat was out of the bag, so no, it does not make sense that Boeing would do that. Isn't it sad that in this day and age we have to wonder.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          The cat was out of the bag, so no, it does not make sense that Boeing would do that. Isn't it sad that in this day and age we have to wonder.

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                          @Mik said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                          Isn't it sad that in this day and age we have to wonder.

                          Screenshot-2024-03-11-at-6.jpeg

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            @Mik said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                            Isn't it sad that in this day and age we have to wonder.

                            Screenshot-2024-03-11-at-6.jpeg

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                            @George-K 😆

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-air-space/alaska-airlines-windshield-cracks-landing-latest-flight-incident-boeing

                              The windshield of an Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 jet cracked while landing in Oregon on Sunday, the latest in a string of incidents involving aircraft belonging to the company.

                              The jet, Flight 9 from Washington, D.C., was descending at Portland International Airport when a minor crack appeared on the inner windshield, Alaska Airlines said in a statement provided to FOX Business.

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                                Piling on - I don't usually send a press release out if my car malfunctions - but I guess Alaska Air wants people to know they use planes subject to numerous defects.

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                                  https://www.mediaite.com/news/a-complete-decapitation-three-top-level-executives-at-boeing-resign-amid-safety-concerns-following-alaska-airlines-blowout/


                                  CNN anchor John Berman called the triple resignation “a complete decapitation” while talking to CNN aviation correspondent Pete Muntean, who called the decisions “a really, really significant shakeup.” This was Muntean’s report:

                                  The clear explanation here is that this is all stemming from the Alaska Airlines door plug blowout back on January 5th, and the NTSB found that plane left the Boeing factory last October without the four critical bolts that held the door plug on, a serious quality control lapse here. And initially, the fall man was the head of the Boeing MAX program, somebody that a lot of people had not heard of. Now the top executives at the company are going.

                                  Dave Calhoun, the CEO who came in after the MAX 8 incidents of 2018 and 2019 that killed 346 people in two crashes abroad, he is now stepping down at the end of the year, according to this latest release from Boeing. That is really significant, many wondering whether it’s too little, too late after Calhoun made his plea that Boeing airplanes are safe not only on Capitol Hill, the top lawmakers in the Senate committee that oversee aviation, but also to airline CEOs like Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci, who wanted $150 million in damages from Boeing after that door plug blowout.

                                  Also, criticism from United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby and American Airlines CEO [Robert Isom], all of these companies, the backbone of their fleets are Boeing airplanes. Many of these companies have orders for more Boeing airplanes. We’re also learning that Larry Kellner, the board chair, will retire. And, Stan Deal, who is the head of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, is also stepping down, promoting a relative newcomer, [Boeing COO] Stephanie Pope, to that position. These have all been people heavily involved in the defense of Boeing after the door plug blowout earlier this year.

                                  This is a really, really significant shakeup. Many have been wondering if there were going to be changes at the top of the company, and now we are seeing that that is happening right now. It is unfolding. So this is a really huge change, John, and the fact that Boeing is doing this, there is a lot of irony here. Dennis Muilenburg was the CEO at Boeing at the time of the MAX 8 incidents in 2018 and 2019. Dave Calhoun came into power. Now he is leaving as the result of another incident on the MAX line.


                                  Wow, the only way it could be worse is if it were a bloodbath.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      The problem is they’re everywhere. It seems every other week I’m on a 737

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Gotta wonder if we're seeing more of these because they're occurring more often, or just being reported more often on social media.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Gotta wonder if we're seeing more of these because they're occurring more often, or just being reported more often on social media.

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                                          @George-K said in A bad year for Boeing.:

                                          just being reported more often on social media.

                                          Probably

                                          https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/ResultsV2.aspx?queryId=04068e3c-cc77-4498-b252-4c04c2fec507

                                          If that query doesn't work, go here: https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/AviationQueryV2.aspx

                                          Enter Make Boeing Model 737

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