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A bit of a misleading title. The federal government isn't "flagging" transactions, they are working with financial institutions to develop guidelines on how the banks could identify potential threats using transaction codes and keyword pattern analysis.
Seems pragmatic to me, and the inclusion of TRUMP and MAGA keywords (although not actually listed in the document they listed, but I'll take their word for it) is the same why keywords like AR15 are included - based on recent violent events.
Honestly, how do you think the FBI stops so many threats every year?
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
The federal government isn't "flagging" transactions, they are working with financial institutions to develop guidelines on how the banks could identify potential threats using transaction codes and keyword pattern analysis.
From a practical standpoint, how is this different from tapping everyone's phones and searching for keywords? Where's the warrant?
I'm sure they don't do that, do they?
ETA: Oh and "asking" Bank of America for records of ANYONE who was in DC between Jan 5 and Jan 7, 2001 when those "keywords" pop up.
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Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
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Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
You trust the government much more than I.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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All you need to look at is the rampant abuse of asset forfeiture to know why you should not trust them. It was meant to seize provable ill-gotten gains, but they forgot they should have to prove they are in fact ill-gotten, not that you should have to prove they are not.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
You trust the government much more than I.
@Jolly said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
You trust the government much more than I.
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
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Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it.
4th Amendment.
Read Jordan's letter.
"According to this analysis, FinCEN warned financial institutions of "extremism" indicators that include "transportation charges, such as bus tickets, rental cars, or plane tickets, for travel to areas with no apparent purpose," or "the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views."' In other words, FinCEN urged large financial institutions to comb through the private transactions of their customers for suspicious charges on the basis of protected political and religious expression."
Damn, don't you dare use your credit card to buy a bible, you knuckle-dragging deplorable MAGAT.
And God forbid you go to Cabela's.
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@Jolly said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Private/public companies have the right to analyze their data however they want, including flagging questionable usage by customers. If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it. Unless I don't understand the scenario correctly. It's not like the FBI is watching live bank transactions and then arresting someone or preventing the transaction anytime they see the keyword TRUMP.
You trust the government much more than I.
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
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Who is being hanged?
It seems these letters only were drafted because the snowflake's feelings were hurt that the acronym 'MAGA' dare be included in a list of potential threat identifiers. I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
PROBABLE CAUSE.
People shopping for "religious books," or at Cabela's should be screened, just in case. That's your point.
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@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
I’d imagine it’s not, but did you see the document that listed the keywords such as MAGA? The document in the article doesn’t show that separate keyword list.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
