Learning English is hard
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I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
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I've read that English is a particularly difficult language to learn, because "rules" aren't rules.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
Don't worry, 89, it's not too late for the rest of you.
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@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
Don't worry, 89, it's not too late for the rest of you.
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I've read that English is a particularly difficult language to learn, because "rules" aren't rules.
@George-K said in Learning English is hard:
I've read that English is a particularly difficult language to learn, because "rules" aren't rules.
Slavic language speakers have particular difficulty with English preposition usage. Likewise its use of definite and indefinite articles and, of course, its strict syntax.
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Pacific Ocean
Three letter "C", but each one pronounced different.
cough tough bough though
etc etc
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I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Please love yourself.
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I've read that English is a particularly difficult language to learn, because "rules" aren't rules.
@George-K said in Learning English is hard:
I've read that English is a particularly difficult language to learn, because "rules" aren't rules.
As the King put it, English has a small but very greasy core of rules.
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@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Yeah but you’re probably using books like Dune or Necromancer.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Yeah but you’re probably using books like Dune or Necromancer.
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Yeah but you’re probably using books like Dune or Necromancer.
Neuromancer but yeah, you're not far off.
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No sense getting into a row with 89 over It.
@Renauda said in Learning English is hard:
No sense getting into a row with 89 over It.
Don’t tease him too hard, or he’ll blush to a dark roux….
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@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
Simple. You’re focusing on the exceptions, which makes for the humor, but they are still the exceptions. They are few enough that they are easily gotten past through repetition.
I mean, we get past the same word having multiple meanings that are completely unrelated (the dove dove into the bush… There is a novel written about this novel idea… I hope the weather is fair at the fair.. I saw the saw saw his hand off….) a few silent e’s and ph that sounds like f aren’t that big of a deal.
The Brad
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I have a most English family name, one that is not uncommon in a certain locale in the north of England. Most English pronounce it correctly at first attempt although Scots and Irish will sometimes muck it up but good. Invariably however North Americans rarely, if ever, pronounce it correctly. Nor do they ever seem to be able to learn how pronounce it correctly no matter how many times it is pronounced for them. I cannot understand why because at the same time they have no trouble at all pronouncing rough, tough and enough.
A favourite head scratcher I am told for people in ESL classes is:
Baked (as in baked bread or baked a cake)
Naked (as in a naked person or tree)
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
Simple. You’re focusing on the exceptions, which makes for the humor, but they are still the exceptions. They are few enough that they are easily gotten past through repetition.
I mean, we get past the same word having multiple meanings that are completely unrelated (the dove dove into the bush… There is a novel written about this novel idea… I hope the weather is fair at the fair.. I saw the saw saw his hand off….) a few silent e’s and ph that sounds like f aren’t that big of a deal.
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
Simple. You’re focusing on the exceptions,
No, I'm focusing on the language I studied. And it's not simple at all.
House, Spouse, Doubt, Stout, About and Shout don't sound like Soup, You, Coupe or Route.
Brief, Siege, Field and Niece don't sound like Science, Ancient, Efficient or Patient.
Cat, Ball, Father and War.
Bread, Steak and Heart.
Son, Women and Womb.English is one of the most if not the very most inconsistent language on the planet when it comes to pronunciation inconsistency.
Please love yourself.
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If English was that hard, the Brits would all speak French or Welsh or something.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
Simple. You’re focusing on the exceptions,
No, I'm focusing on the language I studied. And it's not simple at all.
House, Spouse, Doubt, Stout, About and Shout don't sound like Soup, You, Coupe or Route.
Brief, Siege, Field and Niece don't sound like Science, Ancient, Efficient or Patient.
Cat, Ball, Father and War.
Bread, Steak and Heart.
Son, Women and Womb.English is one of the most if not the very most inconsistent language on the planet when it comes to pronunciation inconsistency.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@LuFins-Dad said in Learning English is hard:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Learning English is hard:
@89th said in Learning English is hard:
I wonder how those here, who had to learn English, like @Klaus and @Doctor-Phibes feel about this.
My 5 year old is learning how to read. She's doing quite
goodwell.Anyway... I am reminded very often now about how inconsistent the language is. Row row row your boat? Yes it has "ow" in it, but it sounds like "roe", not "r-ow". Oh how to spell 4, it's four, but just ignore the u. It's like for.... which rhymes with door, but that has two o's in it. Know (which is the same as No) what I mean?
Same here, she's reading her first stories. I try to get her to sound things out but as you illustrate, that's probably a very stupid way to go.
Not really. Phonics is still the most effective method to teach reading https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/11/phonics-schools-students-read-learn/
I really don't see how. Rough dough plough and all that. I don't see how that makes any sense to a kid.
But, that's what we do because it's (1) different from the school, so, hey, broader strategies and (2) shit it's how I was taught, so it's at least something I know.
Simple. You’re focusing on the exceptions,
No, I'm focusing on the language I studied. And it's not simple at all.
House, Spouse, Doubt, Stout, About and Shout don't sound like Soup, You, Coupe or Route.
Brief, Siege, Field and Niece don't sound like Science, Ancient, Efficient or Patient.
Cat, Ball, Father and War.
Bread, Steak and Heart.
Son, Women and Womb.English is one of the most if not the very most inconsistent language on the planet when it comes to pronunciation inconsistency.
Well, we could always adopt pitch accents to the language… I’m sure that will clear things right up…
