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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    I suggest taking every second note of the trill, including the D, with the left hand (with some crossover). The RH then only has to repeat the E many times, for which I suggest a 5-4-3-2-1 fingering for additional speed.

    NNTTM.

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    • kluursK kluurs

      The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by George K
      #5

      @kluurs said in How to play this:

      The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

      Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

      Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

      IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

      ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
        #6

        The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          @Axtremus said in How to play this:

          I would use 3-4 for the trills

          I've always had a hard time with those. Not enough practice, I suppose.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            Another option is to trill with a 3-1 then transition to 2-3-4.
            Like, 1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2-3-4-3-2-1.

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            • George KG George K

              @kluurs said in How to play this:

              The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

              Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

              Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

              IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

              ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

              KlausK Offline
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              Klaus
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              @George-K said in How to play this:

              ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

              Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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              • KlausK Klaus

                @George-K said in How to play this:

                ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                @Klaus said in How to play this:

                @George-K said in How to play this:

                ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                Don't give it a try.

                Too late. I did.

                Anyone know a good chiropractor in the Chicago area?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @kluurs said in How to play this:

                  The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                  Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                  Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                  IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                  ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                  kluursK Offline
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                  kluurs
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  @George-K said in How to play this:

                  @kluurs said in How to play this:

                  The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                  Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                  Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                  IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                  Yes - exactly. One always starts the trill on the note above. See the edition below by Bax.

                  In Bach, those trills always start on the note

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    The best way to play it? On Spotify while drinking a scotch and discussing what fingering your would use for the trill…

                    The Brad

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                    • kluursK Offline
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                      kluurs
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                      • kluursK kluurs

                        I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        @kluurs said in How to play this:

                        bone conduction headphones for these efforts

                        You're happy with those?

                        I was wondering about replacing the cheapo headphones that came with my (I forget which) digital piano.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • kluursK Offline
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                          kluurs
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          I wouldn't use bone conduction with the digital. They're not as good a modestly priced over ear headphones - but they're perfect for listening to Charles Rosen playing the same Bach as I am. I can fit my good phones over my ears at the same time - and they work well with a real piano. I'm playing them at a lower volume - and seeing how in synch I am with the real performer. It is through such efforts that I strive to move from bad playing to inspired mediocrity, the highest level of performance I can hope to achieve.

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