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  • kluursK kluurs

    The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

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    George K
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    #5

    @kluurs said in How to play this:

    The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

    Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

    Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

    IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

    ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

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        @Axtremus said in How to play this:

        I would use 3-4 for the trills

        I've always had a hard time with those. Not enough practice, I suppose.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Another option is to trill with a 3-1 then transition to 2-3-4.
          Like, 1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2-3-4-3-2-1.

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          • George KG George K

            @kluurs said in How to play this:

            The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

            Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

            Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

            IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

            ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

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            @George-K said in How to play this:

            ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

            Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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            • KlausK Klaus

              @George-K said in How to play this:

              ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

              Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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              @Klaus said in How to play this:

              @George-K said in How to play this:

              ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

              Don't give it a try.

              Too late. I did.

              Anyone know a good chiropractor in the Chicago area?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                @kluurs said in How to play this:

                The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

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                @George-K said in How to play this:

                @kluurs said in How to play this:

                The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                Yes - exactly. One always starts the trill on the note above. See the edition below by Bax.

                In Bach, those trills always start on the note

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  The best way to play it? On Spotify while drinking a scotch and discussing what fingering your would use for the trill…

                  The Brad

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                    I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                      @kluurs said in How to play this:

                      bone conduction headphones for these efforts

                      You're happy with those?

                      I was wondering about replacing the cheapo headphones that came with my (I forget which) digital piano.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        I wouldn't use bone conduction with the digital. They're not as good a modestly priced over ear headphones - but they're perfect for listening to Charles Rosen playing the same Bach as I am. I can fit my good phones over my ears at the same time - and they work well with a real piano. I'm playing them at a lower volume - and seeing how in synch I am with the real performer. It is through such efforts that I strive to move from bad playing to inspired mediocrity, the highest level of performance I can hope to achieve.

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