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  • kluursK Offline
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    kluurs
    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

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    • KlausK Offline
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      #4

      I suggest taking every second note of the trill, including the D, with the left hand (with some crossover). The RH then only has to repeat the E many times, for which I suggest a 5-4-3-2-1 fingering for additional speed.

      NNTTM.

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      • kluursK kluurs

        The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by George K
        #5

        @kluurs said in How to play this:

        The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

        Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

        Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

        IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

        ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          #6

          The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #7

            @Axtremus said in How to play this:

            I would use 3-4 for the trills

            I've always had a hard time with those. Not enough practice, I suppose.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #8

              Another option is to trill with a 3-1 then transition to 2-3-4.
              Like, 1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2-3-4-3-2-1.

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              • George KG George K

                @kluurs said in How to play this:

                The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                KlausK Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
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                @George-K said in How to play this:

                ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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                • KlausK Klaus

                  @George-K said in How to play this:

                  ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                  Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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                  George K
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                  #10

                  @Klaus said in How to play this:

                  @George-K said in How to play this:

                  ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                  Don't give it a try.

                  Too late. I did.

                  Anyone know a good chiropractor in the Chicago area?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @kluurs said in How to play this:

                    The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                    Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                    Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                    IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                    ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                    kluursK Offline
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                    kluurs
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #11

                    @George-K said in How to play this:

                    @kluurs said in How to play this:

                    The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                    Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                    Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                    IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                    Yes - exactly. One always starts the trill on the note above. See the edition below by Bax.

                    In Bach, those trills always start on the note

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      The best way to play it? On Spotify while drinking a scotch and discussing what fingering your would use for the trill…

                      The Brad

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                      • kluursK Offline
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                        #13

                        I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                        • kluursK kluurs

                          I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                          @kluurs said in How to play this:

                          bone conduction headphones for these efforts

                          You're happy with those?

                          I was wondering about replacing the cheapo headphones that came with my (I forget which) digital piano.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #15

                            I wouldn't use bone conduction with the digital. They're not as good a modestly priced over ear headphones - but they're perfect for listening to Charles Rosen playing the same Bach as I am. I can fit my good phones over my ears at the same time - and they work well with a real piano. I'm playing them at a lower volume - and seeing how in synch I am with the real performer. It is through such efforts that I strive to move from bad playing to inspired mediocrity, the highest level of performance I can hope to achieve.

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