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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Just flip the left pedal on the Roland to pitch bend and hit it real fast while playing the E.

    The Brad

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    • kluursK Offline
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      kluurs
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

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      • KlausK Offline
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        #4

        I suggest taking every second note of the trill, including the D, with the left hand (with some crossover). The RH then only has to repeat the E many times, for which I suggest a 5-4-3-2-1 fingering for additional speed.

        NNTTM.

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        • kluursK kluurs

          The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #5

          @kluurs said in How to play this:

          The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

          Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

          Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

          IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

          ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            wrote on last edited by Axtremus
            #6

            The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              The pattern is trill-turn-arpeggio. For my right hand, I would use 3-4 for the trills. Someone with longer/stronger pinky may go for 5-4. :man-shrugging:

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              @Axtremus said in How to play this:

              I would use 3-4 for the trills

              I've always had a hard time with those. Not enough practice, I suppose.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Another option is to trill with a 3-1 then transition to 2-3-4.
                Like, 1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2-3-4-3-2-1.

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                • George KG George K

                  @kluurs said in How to play this:

                  The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                  Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                  Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                  IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                  ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                  KlausK Offline
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                  Klaus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  @George-K said in How to play this:

                  ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                  Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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                  • KlausK Klaus

                    @George-K said in How to play this:

                    ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                    Don't give it a try. I was just messing with you 😛

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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    @Klaus said in How to play this:

                    @George-K said in How to play this:

                    ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                    Don't give it a try.

                    Too late. I did.

                    Anyone know a good chiropractor in the Chicago area?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @kluurs said in How to play this:

                      The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                      Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                      Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                      IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                      ETA: And thank you @Klaus , I'll give it a try. But it won't be at tempo - yet.

                      kluursK Offline
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                      kluurs
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      @George-K said in How to play this:

                      @kluurs said in How to play this:

                      The Henle Urtext indicates a 2 for the e-natural. I haven't played this work, but I'll look through my library.

                      Screenshot 2023-12-14 at 5.53.38 AM.png

                      Yeah, that's what my edition shows as well. My teacher has a different Henle edition - I'll have to ask her.

                      IOW, start the trill on F, with 3?

                      Yes - exactly. One always starts the trill on the note above. See the edition below by Bax.

                      In Bach, those trills always start on the note

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        The best way to play it? On Spotify while drinking a scotch and discussing what fingering your would use for the trill…

                        The Brad

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                        • kluursK Offline
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                          kluurs
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                          • kluursK kluurs

                            I've added a couple of new things to me practicing repertoire. One is actively recording myself. i seem to focus more effectively when knowing I'm recording myself. it's not quite like having an audience - but a step above just playing and not caring as much about those uninvited mistakes. The second thing that is easier in this day and age is playing along with a recorded performance. In a couple of instances, I caught additional errant practices on my part. I see both my own and the professional performer's efforts in a new light. I've sometimes been irritated by an emphasis that the prof has taken. Of course, I've also got some ideas - places to consider nuances that I'd missed or hadn't considered. I use my iPhone, Apple Classical and bone conduction headphones for these efforts.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            @kluurs said in How to play this:

                            bone conduction headphones for these efforts

                            You're happy with those?

                            I was wondering about replacing the cheapo headphones that came with my (I forget which) digital piano.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              I wouldn't use bone conduction with the digital. They're not as good a modestly priced over ear headphones - but they're perfect for listening to Charles Rosen playing the same Bach as I am. I can fit my good phones over my ears at the same time - and they work well with a real piano. I'm playing them at a lower volume - and seeing how in synch I am with the real performer. It is through such efforts that I strive to move from bad playing to inspired mediocrity, the highest level of performance I can hope to achieve.

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