Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
But neither you nor jon display much willingness to differentiate support for Trump over his political opposition, from some caricatured devotion to everything he thinks and says.
Nonsense. Surely one of the reasons we post his most ridiculous tweets here is to watch you guys squirm a little.
Well, you enjoy giggling at people you think are stupid. Meanwhile, as far as i know, most posters here, even his supporters, wish he'd calm down with those stupid tweets.
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Exactly, which we recognize. Hence my point.
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@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
No, it wasn't the same thing. Nobody is silent against the cancel mob because the cancel mob is too stupid. It's because the cancel mob is too dangerous.
How about both?
As for the dangerous, yes, they are. But I can't accept that a movement this goofball can last forever. Like Phibbs (?) said, they're good at tearing down, not so much at building back up. And conditions don't remain in torn-down status indefinitely.
I remain enough of a Randist to believe that in the end, above all, competence must prevail. I want to say to these people: If you want the goodies, do the work. Clear the starry-eyed crap out of your vision, study your human history, and accept that rising to the top demands more than painting big yellow letters on the pavement. Didn’t nobody promise you a rose garden, babe, and ain’t nobody gonna carry you but so far, for so long.
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@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
I think the word Trumpism is a convenient one used to integrate anybody who prefers Trump to his current political opposition, with Trump himself. Wokeness on the other hand is a blatant large-scale cultural movement, permeating every aspect of this culture we all have to exist in.
This resonates with me. Not voting is a big contender and just praying wokeness burns itself out.
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@Klaus said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Now about the article: The one thing that leaves me a little dissatisfied with it is that I think most "woke" people aren't very familiar with critical theory. I have a hard time imagining that all those adolescent ultra-progressives read works from the Frankfurt school or Foucault.
So, while it may be true that "critical theory" has been the origin of the "woke" philosophy, it seems to me that there is a narrative that justifies being "woke" that doesn't require familiarity with critical theory.
All three of my girls went to Oregon State University. My oldest (housing studies) and youngest (communications) have responded with much woke-speak following George Floyd and BLM protests. My middle (forestry) is much more "hard work, good choices, personal responsibility". It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.
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@Jolly said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Too complicated for me.
As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...
Because he was a psychopathic peasant?
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Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
I expect we will all be safe from a purge of intellectuals.
You might want to hide that pretentious tea you're so fond of.
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@89th said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
@Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.
Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter.
LOL she is almost apolitical though haha.
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It is a concern, given how many parents I've spoken to that tell me their kids come home from college, smarter than everyone else in their family, and confidently "woke."
As if brainwashed, but don't know it.
Just "educated."
And all that and more, for only $120K!
Thanks, Higher Ed!!
