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  • HoraceH Horace

    @jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

    @Horace

    Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.

    I think the word Trumpism is a convenient one used to integrate anybody who prefers Trump to his current political opposition, with Trump himself. Wokeness on the other hand is a blatant large-scale cultural movement, permeating every aspect of this culture we all have to exist in.

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    @Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

    @jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

    @Horace

    Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.

    I think the word Trumpism is a convenient one used to integrate anybody who prefers Trump to his current political opposition, with Trump himself. Wokeness on the other hand is a blatant large-scale cultural movement, permeating every aspect of this culture we all have to exist in.

    This resonates with me. Not voting is a big contender and just praying wokeness burns itself out.

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    • LarryL Larry

      I don't know who's gonna win, but this is making me horny so I'm gonna fuck the winner.

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      @Larry said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

      I don't know who's gonna win, but this is making me horny so I'm gonna fuck the winner.

      Which immediately will make them the loser πŸ˜†

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        Larry
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        I don't know if it will make them the loser or not, but they'll walk funny for a couple of days..... hahahaha

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        • KlausK Klaus

          Now about the article: The one thing that leaves me a little dissatisfied with it is that I think most "woke" people aren't very familiar with critical theory. I have a hard time imagining that all those adolescent ultra-progressives read works from the Frankfurt school or Foucault.

          So, while it may be true that "critical theory" has been the origin of the "woke" philosophy, it seems to me that there is a narrative that justifies being "woke" that doesn't require familiarity with critical theory.

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          @Klaus said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

          Now about the article: The one thing that leaves me a little dissatisfied with it is that I think most "woke" people aren't very familiar with critical theory. I have a hard time imagining that all those adolescent ultra-progressives read works from the Frankfurt school or Foucault.

          So, while it may be true that "critical theory" has been the origin of the "woke" philosophy, it seems to me that there is a narrative that justifies being "woke" that doesn't require familiarity with critical theory.

          All three of my girls went to Oregon State University. My oldest (housing studies) and youngest (communications) have responded with much woke-speak following George Floyd and BLM protests. My middle (forestry) is much more "hard work, good choices, personal responsibility". It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

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          • KincaidK Kincaid

            @Klaus said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

            Now about the article: The one thing that leaves me a little dissatisfied with it is that I think most "woke" people aren't very familiar with critical theory. I have a hard time imagining that all those adolescent ultra-progressives read works from the Frankfurt school or Foucault.

            So, while it may be true that "critical theory" has been the origin of the "woke" philosophy, it seems to me that there is a narrative that justifies being "woke" that doesn't require familiarity with critical theory.

            All three of my girls went to Oregon State University. My oldest (housing studies) and youngest (communications) have responded with much woke-speak following George Floyd and BLM protests. My middle (forestry) is much more "hard work, good choices, personal responsibility". It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

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            taiwan_girl
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            @Kincaid Hi Kincaid! πŸ‘‹

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            • KincaidK Kincaid

              @Klaus said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

              Now about the article: The one thing that leaves me a little dissatisfied with it is that I think most "woke" people aren't very familiar with critical theory. I have a hard time imagining that all those adolescent ultra-progressives read works from the Frankfurt school or Foucault.

              So, while it may be true that "critical theory" has been the origin of the "woke" philosophy, it seems to me that there is a narrative that justifies being "woke" that doesn't require familiarity with critical theory.

              All three of my girls went to Oregon State University. My oldest (housing studies) and youngest (communications) have responded with much woke-speak following George Floyd and BLM protests. My middle (forestry) is much more "hard work, good choices, personal responsibility". It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

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              @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

              It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

              Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter. 😎

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                Too complicated for me.

                As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...

                β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Too complicated for me.

                  As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #72

                  @Jolly said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                  Too complicated for me.

                  As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...

                  Because he was a psychopathic peasant?

                  I was only joking

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                    I expect we will all be safe from a purge of intellectuals.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      I expect we will all be safe from a purge of intellectuals.

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                      @Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                      I expect we will all be safe from a purge of intellectuals.

                      You might want to hide that pretentious tea you're so fond of.

                      I was only joking

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                        #75

                        More like puerhtentious.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Kincaid Hi Kincaid! πŸ‘‹

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                          @taiwan_girl said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                          @Kincaid Hi Kincaid! πŸ‘‹

                          Hi TG!

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                            It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

                            Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter. 😎

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                            @89th said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                            @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                            It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

                            Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter. 😎

                            LOL she is almost apolitical though haha.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Too complicated for me.

                              As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...

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                              @Jolly said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                              Too complicated for me.

                              As I become older, I sometimes appreciate the reasons Stalin had for executing the intellectuals...

                              At least it cuts off that insufferable blathering...

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                                It is a concern, given how many parents I've spoken to that tell me their kids come home from college, smarter than everyone else in their family, and confidently "woke."

                                As if brainwashed, but don't know it.
                                Just "educated."
                                And all that and more, for only $120K!
                                Thanks, Higher Ed!!

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                                • KincaidK Kincaid

                                  @89th said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                                  @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                                  It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

                                  Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter. 😎

                                  LOL she is almost apolitical though haha.

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                                  @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                                  @89th said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                                  @Kincaid said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:

                                  It has been a bit difficult to navigate these waters with reasoned discussion.

                                  Well the reasonable discussion is probably easier with your middle daughter. 😎

                                  LOL she is almost apolitical though haha.

                                  Even better. Seriously. People care about politics way too much. Rarely effects my life other than maybe tax rates, even then it’s just money.

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