The Curious Case of Claudine Gay
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 11:04 last edited by
I would certainly insist on correcting such things if one of my PhD students did this, but in the hierarchy of plagiarism sins, this is pretty low. I guess that you can find similar issues in 50% of all dissertations, especially in the arts and humanities.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 13:06 last edited by
I am sure the dissertation is useless garbage either way, but I doubt it would have been less impressive as a dissertation if the corrections were made and the ideas in it properly assigned.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 13:55 last edited by
I’ve only gotta few years of skoolin’ in, so can’t speak with the authority that the rest of you do, but to me, this is a more serious indictment of her ability and her lack of knowledge about the process than it does about the content of her character or her intentions.
Still, that may be even more damning for somebody applying for tenure at one of the country’s most prestigious universities…
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I am sure the dissertation is useless garbage either way, but I doubt it would have been less impressive as a dissertation if the corrections were made and the ideas in it properly assigned.
wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 14:01 last edited by@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
I am sure the dissertation is useless garbage either way, but I doubt it would have been less impressive as a dissertation if the corrections were made and the ideas in it properly assigned.
One of my zoo profs inserted a Penthouse Forum letter halfway through his dissertation. Nobody saw it...
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@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
I am sure the dissertation is useless garbage either way, but I doubt it would have been less impressive as a dissertation if the corrections were made and the ideas in it properly assigned.
One of my zoo profs inserted a Penthouse Forum letter halfway through his dissertation. Nobody saw it...
wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 14:08 last edited by@Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
One of my zoo profs inserted a Penthouse Forum letter halfway through his dissertation. Nobody saw it...
LOL
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 14:15 last edited by
Well, I guess it counts as plagiarism?
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 14:25 last edited by
In theory, dissertations are original and potentially "important" research. In practice, they get read by the approval committee, maybe, and then by nobody else ever.
Maybe the AIs will train on them.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 15:05 last edited by bachophile 12 Nov 2023, 15:06
i dont know much about humanities doctoral dissertations, but most medical journals that i have published in run the text through programs looking for matching texts from previous medical publications, and if it catches too many similarities of phrase, you will get called out on it, even if they are referenced. there is a certain amount of leeway, but if you have too much material lifted without quotes, they wont review it until you change the wording sufficiently.
when i write papers, i usually always just write freehand from my head, and then look for references to support what i wrote, and so invariably i have nevever been called out on this (although i have seen colleagues who copy pasted phrases here and there be asked to change wording)
but obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it? -
i dont know much about humanities doctoral dissertations, but most medical journals that i have published in run the text through programs looking for matching texts from previous medical publications, and if it catches too many similarities of phrase, you will get called out on it, even if they are referenced. there is a certain amount of leeway, but if you have too much material lifted without quotes, they wont review it until you change the wording sufficiently.
when i write papers, i usually always just write freehand from my head, and then look for references to support what i wrote, and so invariably i have nevever been called out on this (although i have seen colleagues who copy pasted phrases here and there be asked to change wording)
but obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it?wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 15:27 last edited by Klaus 12 Nov 2023, 15:28@bachophile said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it?
Harsh!
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 15:32 last edited by
There are many different truth seeking mechanisms. Data and logic and the scientific method are typical white male oppressor mechanisms. The mystical truths of women of color are a step beyond, and I don't feel personally able to understand them or pronounce any judgment of them.
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There are many different truth seeking mechanisms. Data and logic and the scientific method are typical white male oppressor mechanisms. The mystical truths of women of color are a step beyond, and I don't feel personally able to understand them or pronounce any judgment of them.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 16:08 last edited by
If you are writing code you can plagiarize as much as you want, nobody cares.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2023, 16:22 last edited by
@Copper said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
If you are writing code you can plagiarize as much as you want, nobody cares.
Sure.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 00:42 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 00:53 last edited by
I'm sorry, that's not a minor problem that's absolute fucking plagiarism.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 01:02 last edited by Jolly 12 Dec 2023, 01:02
Hey, hey!
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 01:35 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 01:36 last edited by
National Association of Scholars pops up on my youtube feed occasionally. They are heterodox thinkers who don't need no stinking overton windows.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 14:07 last edited by
The curious case just got curiouser...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harvard-president-claudine-gay-staying-rcna129178
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wrote on 12 Dec 2023, 14:25 last edited by
Had she been a white
Jewishcis-male, she'd have been gone a week ago.