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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #21

    Well, I guess it counts as plagiarism?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #22

      In theory, dissertations are original and potentially "important" research. In practice, they get read by the approval committee, maybe, and then by nobody else ever.

      Maybe the AIs will train on them.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • bachophileB Offline
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        bachophile
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        #23

        i dont know much about humanities doctoral dissertations, but most medical journals that i have published in run the text through programs looking for matching texts from previous medical publications, and if it catches too many similarities of phrase, you will get called out on it, even if they are referenced. there is a certain amount of leeway, but if you have too much material lifted without quotes, they wont review it until you change the wording sufficiently.
        when i write papers, i usually always just write freehand from my head, and then look for references to support what i wrote, and so invariably i have nevever been called out on this (although i have seen colleagues who copy pasted phrases here and there be asked to change wording)
        but obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it?

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        • bachophileB bachophile

          i dont know much about humanities doctoral dissertations, but most medical journals that i have published in run the text through programs looking for matching texts from previous medical publications, and if it catches too many similarities of phrase, you will get called out on it, even if they are referenced. there is a certain amount of leeway, but if you have too much material lifted without quotes, they wont review it until you change the wording sufficiently.
          when i write papers, i usually always just write freehand from my head, and then look for references to support what i wrote, and so invariably i have nevever been called out on this (although i have seen colleagues who copy pasted phrases here and there be asked to change wording)
          but obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it?

          KlausK Offline
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          Klaus
          wrote on last edited by Klaus
          #24

          @bachophile said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

          obviously, the real sin of plaigarism is lifting data. thats obviously unforgivable. but the humanities doesnt really have data, does it?

          Harsh!

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #25

            There are many different truth seeking mechanisms. Data and logic and the scientific method are typical white male oppressor mechanisms. The mystical truths of women of color are a step beyond, and I don't feel personally able to understand them or pronounce any judgment of them.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              There are many different truth seeking mechanisms. Data and logic and the scientific method are typical white male oppressor mechanisms. The mystical truths of women of color are a step beyond, and I don't feel personally able to understand them or pronounce any judgment of them.

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #26

              @Horace

              The mystical truths of women of color are a step beyond, and I don't feel personally able to understand them or pronounce any judgment of them.

              No doubt. Witchcraft and Voodoo are esoteric black arts.

              Elbows up!

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #27

                If you are writing code you can plagiarize as much as you want, nobody cares.

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                • CopperC Copper

                  If you are writing code you can plagiarize as much as you want, nobody cares.

                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #28

                  @Copper said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                  If you are writing code you can plagiarize as much as you want, nobody cares.

                  Sure. 😄

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #29

                    Examples in the thread. When 40% of your publications have questionable attributions...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #30

                      I'm sorry, that's not a minor problem that's absolute fucking plagiarism.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by Jolly
                        #31

                        Hey, hey!
                        Ditch the Gay!

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #32

                          I don't know anything about this organization, but...

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #33

                            National Association of Scholars pops up on my youtube feed occasionally. They are heterodox thinkers who don't need no stinking overton windows.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #34

                              The curious case just got curiouser...

                              https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harvard-president-claudine-gay-staying-rcna129178

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #35

                                Had she been a white Jewish cis-male, she'd have been gone a week ago.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Had she been a white Jewish cis-male, she'd have been gone a week ago.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #36

                                  @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                  Had she been a white Jewish cis-male, she'd have been gone a week ago.

                                  Had she been a straight white guy she never would have gotten the job.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #37

                                    A cis white male at her level would have difficulty being a professional academic.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #38

                                      The Crimson

                                      “As members of the Harvard Corporation, we today reaffirm our support for President Gay’s continued leadership of Harvard University,” the board wrote in a University-wide statement on Tuesday. “In this tumultuous and difficult time, we unanimously stand in support of President Gay.”

                                      Oh...

                                      In the statement, the Corporation revealed that it learned about the plagiarism allegations against Gay in late October. The board’s concerns also call into question the presidential search committee’s vetting process for the search that ended in Gay’s selection less than one year ago.

                                      The concerns raised by Harvard’s highest governing body about the plagiarism allegations against Gay mark a head-spinning twist in the controversy surrounding Gay’s tumultuous first semester as president.

                                      While some speculated the Corporation might oust Gay over her response to the Israel-Hamas war, the statement on Tuesday suggests the academic dishonesty allegations might prove more perilous to the future of Gay’s presidency.

                                      They knew about it two months ago.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #39

                                        Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          A cis white male at her level would have difficulty being a professional academic.

                                          CopperC Offline
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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #40

                                          @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                          A cis white male at her level would have difficulty being a professional academic.

                                          Imagine the epic joy on the board when they found a black woman named Gay!

                                          They will never let her go.

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