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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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  • MikM Offline
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    #139

    Ackman’s tweet is terrifying.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Ackman’s tweet is terrifying.

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      Jolly
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      #140

      @Mik said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

      Ackman’s tweet is terrifying.

      Yes, it is.

      Wonder if he would take Gay's old job?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        What I learned, however, was that DEI was not about diversity in its purest form, but rather DEI was a political advocacy movement on behalf of certain groups that are deemed oppressed under DEI’s own methodology.

        Under DEI, one’s degree of oppression is determined based upon where one resides on a so-called intersectional pyramid of oppression where whites, Jews, and Asians are deemed oppressors, and a subset of people of color, LGBTQ people, and/or women are deemed to be oppressed. Under this ideology which is the philosophical underpinning of DEI as advanced by Ibram X. Kendi and others, one is either an anti-racist or a racist. There is no such thing as being “not racist.”

        Well summarized.

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          I might have mentioned before, but when I was doing graduate work at Syracuse University in 2016, I was surprised that "safe spaces" were literally physical locations. Signs in a coffee shop would declare the space "safe space for all" or something... until then I thought it was just a joke/phrase! Of course, I was tempted to test if the space was really safe for "all" or if it was really just a place to be safe from opinions that might hurt your feelings.

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          • George KG Offline
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            The question that Ackman hints at, in a general way, is this: Would any person with a CV consisting of 11-12 publications be considered qualified to be president of Harvard University, or would a higher academic standard be invoked?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              #144

              I think the publications could be waived for a person of stature.

              How many pubs does Condi Rice have?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I think the publications could be waived for a person of stature.

                How many pubs does Condi Rice have?

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                George K
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                @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                How many pubs does Condi Rice have?

                Can't find her CV, yet.

                But Stanford's faculty page lists 5 books.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #146

                  The AP doing journalisming.

                  IMG_0158.jpeg

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    The AP doing journalisming.

                    IMG_0158.jpeg

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                    kluurs
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                    #147

                    @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                    The AP doing journalisming.

                    IMG_0158.jpeg

                    The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jon-nyc said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                      Take a bow, Mr Ackman.

                      Ackman sort of explains:

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                      @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                      @jon-nyc said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                      Take a bow, Mr Ackman.

                      Ackman sort of explains:

                      Take another bow, Mr Ackman.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • kluursK kluurs

                        @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                        The AP doing journalisming.

                        IMG_0158.jpeg

                        The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #149

                        @kluurs said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                        @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                        The AP doing journalisming.

                        IMG_0158.jpeg

                        The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

                        Not to mention scalping originated with the Indians.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Again, all these things DEI are only a search for power and advantage. The proponents offer up a utopia, but what will really result is a bloodbath.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            I imagine that anybody who works in the DEI division of large corporations, is starting to feel a little nervous about their future.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • kluursK kluurs

                              @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                              The AP doing journalisming.

                              IMG_0158.jpeg

                              The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

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                              @kluurs said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                              @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                              The AP doing journalisming.

                              IMG_0158.jpeg

                              The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

                              Now I know who has me on ignore…

                              https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/257072

                              The Brad

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                Horace
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                                I won't feel safe until the ignore function is in prison.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  Rep. Bowman tweets:

                                  Best comment: "Thank you for sounding the alarm on this."

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
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                                    #155

                                    Gay writes an op-ed in the NYT:

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/opinion/claudine-gay-harvard-president.html

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      Jesus.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • HoraceH Online
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                                        Horace
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                                        #157

                                        paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?

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                                          George K
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                                          @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                          paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?


                                          Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me

                                          On Tuesday, I made the wrenching but necessary decision to resign as Harvard’s president. For weeks, both I and the institution to which I’ve devoted my professional life have been under attack. My character and intelligence have been impugned. My commitment to fighting antisemitism has been questioned. My inbox has been flooded with invective, including death threats. I’ve been called the N-word more times than I care to count.

                                          My hope is that by stepping down I will deny demagogues the opportunity to further weaponize my presidency in their campaign to undermine the ideals animating Harvard since its founding: excellence, openness, independence, truth.

                                          As I depart, I must offer a few words of warning. The campaign against me was about more than one university and one leader. This was merely a single skirmish in a broader war to unravel public faith in pillars of American society. Campaigns of this kind often start with attacks on education and expertise, because these are the tools that best equip communities to see through propaganda. But such campaigns don’t end there. Trusted institutions of all types — from public health agencies to news organizations — will continue to fall victim to coordinated attempts to undermine their legitimacy and ruin their leaders’ credibility. For the opportunists driving cynicism about our institutions, no single victory or toppled leader exhausts their zeal.

                                          Yes, I made mistakes. In my initial response to the atrocities of Oct. 7, I should have stated more forcefully what all people of good conscience know: Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks to eradicate the Jewish state. And at a congressional hearing last month, I fell into a well-laid trap. I neglected to clearly articulate that calls for the genocide of Jewish people are abhorrent and unacceptable and that I would use every tool at my disposal to protect students from that kind of hate.

                                          Most recently, the attacks have focused on my scholarship. My critics found instances in my academic writings where some material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution. I believe all scholars deserve full and appropriate credit for their work. When I learned of these errors, I promptly requested corrections from the journals in which the flagged articles were published, consistent with how I have seen similar faculty cases handled at Harvard.

                                          I have never misrepresented my research findings, nor have I ever claimed credit for the research of others. Moreover, the citation errors should not obscure a fundamental truth: I proudly stand by my work and its impact on the field.

                                          Despite the obsessive scrutiny of my peer-reviewed writings, few have commented on the substance of my scholarship, which focuses on the significance of minority office holding in American politics. My research marshaled concrete evidence to show that when historically marginalized communities gain a meaningful voice in the halls of power, it signals an open door where before many saw only barriers. And that, in turn, strengthens our democracy.

                                          Throughout this work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

                                          Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research, but the past several weeks have laid waste to truth. Those who had relentlessly campaigned to oust me since the fall often trafficked in lies and ad hominem insults, not reasoned argument. They recycled tired racial stereotypes about Black talent and temperament. They pushed a false narrative of indifference and incompetence.

                                          It is not lost on me that I make an ideal canvas for projecting every anxiety about the generational and demographic changes unfolding on American campuses: a Black woman selected to lead a storied institution. Someone who views diversity as a source of institutional strength and dynamism. Someone who has advocated a modern curriculum that spans from the frontier of quantum science to the long-neglected history of Asian Americans. Someone who believes that a daughter of Haitian immigrants has something to offer to the nation’s oldest university.

                                          I still believe that. As I return to teaching and scholarship, I will continue to champion access and opportunity, and I will bring to my work the virtue I discussed in the speech I delivered at my presidential inauguration: courage. Because it is courage that has buoyed me throughout my career and it is courage that is needed to stand up to those who seek to undermine what makes universities unique in American life.

                                          Having now seen how quickly the truth can become a casualty amid controversy, I’d urge a broader caution: At tense moments, every one of us must be more skeptical than ever of the loudest and most extreme voices in our culture, however well organized or well connected they might be. Too often they are pursuing self-serving agendas that should be met with more questions and less credulity.

                                          College campuses in our country must remain places where students can learn, share and grow together, not spaces where proxy battles and political grandstanding take root. Universities must remain independent venues where courage and reason unite to advance truth, no matter what forces set against them.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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